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re: Does Arkansas offically join SEC in 2012 ?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:42 pm to Porker Face
Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:42 pm to Porker Face
New Mexico seems confused.
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Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:43 pm to Bellabama
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How many of y'all have lived in a state other than the one you root for?
Florida, Louisiana, Texas, New York, North Carolina, Italy( yes I know it isn't a state) and Georgia
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Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:45 pm to jcam61
Hehe. So does Colorado. Both are beautiful states. I lived in Albuquerque for 9 months and really enjoyed it though
Colorado is where i'd spend the rest of my life if I didn't have a bunch of siblings to look after
Colorado is where i'd spend the rest of my life if I didn't have a bunch of siblings to look after
Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:46 pm to Bellabama
Not trying to start an arguement here but I actually live in Missouri currently and lived in Arkansas until I was 25 and then Atlanta until recently. I've been all across the south for work and I've been to St Louis and Kansas City numerous times in my life. It is nowhere near as southern as anywhere in Arkansas outside of NWA. Its not steel mills and auto plants by any means but to call it more southern than anywhere but NWA is off base even if Southern Living features St Louis sometimes.
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Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:47 pm to 228Tiger
Any idea what the "other" calls it?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:48 pm to 228Tiger
Well, then I guess my definition of redneck is different than yours. I've lived all over the place, admittedly in well heeled areas, and I've found Alabama to have about the same number of uncultured idiots as anywhere else in the south. And in the Northeast, the Townie contingent is absolutely no different than the redneck contingent. I just don't know how you can qualify one state having more than another.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:49 pm to Bellabama
Sodie Pop?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:49 pm to TheCheshireHog
Well Alabama has lots of steel mills and auto plants. 
Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:51 pm to Bellabama
True. That's just what pops in to my head when I think of Pittsburgh, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo etc. 
Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:51 pm to Bellabama
quote:Grew up in Alabama until 11 then lived in Florida and back to Alabama for 3 years. I am currently in Florida.
How many of y'all have lived in a state other than the one you root for?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:58 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Not trying to start an arguement here but I actually live in Missouri currently and lived in Arkansas until I was 25 and then Atlanta until recently. I've been all across the south for work and I've been to St Louis and Kansas City numerous times in my life. It is nowhere near as southern as anywhere in Arkansas outside of NWA. Its not steel mills and auto plants by any means but to call it more southern than anywhere but NWA is off base even if Southern Living features St Louis sometimes.
I don't think of Missouri as a "southern" state. Don't have the southern feel unless you're in the faaaar southern counties that border Arkansas, KY, etc. I view it as a midwestern state. There's a reason Fox Sports MIDWEST covers STL and Missouri.
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Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:58 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Southern Living
And if we're using this as a measuring stick, we have to count Oklahoma as Southern, and I think we can all agree they definitely aren't...
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Posted on 4/27/12 at 5:22 pm to Bellabama
quote:My own personal opinion is that Arkansas still feels like an "outsider" because they lack a cultural commonality with the rest of the league. Put another way, every state has its share of hillbillies, rednecks, and/or coonasses. But those are not the ties that bind. I just don't see what Arkansas has that connects the state to the rest of the South.
You can flip through Southern Living and regularly see spreads about St. Louis and Missouri. Far more so than Arkansas...So since this is a thread about Arkansas officially joining the SEC, if the vote is yes, that they could be equal to Missouri, who is already voted in.
I mean, has anyone mentioned there is no dental school in Arkansas?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 5:25 pm to Ice Cold
Posted on 4/27/12 at 5:41 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Not hating, but it's hard for me to think of SC as an SEC school.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 6:27 pm to Ice Cold
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I mean, has anyone mentioned there is no dental school in Arkansas?
I wasn't going to wade into this thread, as it seems to pop up a few times a week. And Porker Face, please don't post that stupid "generic soft drink" map again, it's just overdone. Try to find some original material. This whole topic is just :beatdeadhorse: .
That said, since Bella has tried to offer an unbiased viewpoint, I decided to chime in and help. Whether you call Missouri "north-southern", or "south-midwestern" or "east-western' etc., what it comes down to is that it's a border state. It's a big state, with very diverse influences across it. It was settled by people from Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee and Alabama. Its ethnic influences include French, German, Irish, Italian, British, Scottish, Spanish, Native American, European Jewish and more. Many people here, including myself, can directly trace their family history to the plantations of the south. It's a melting pot in every way. Its regional identity can best be described as "somewhat confused", and as a border state we can fit with the more than one region, but exactly with none. Missouri is unique. No state in the US borders more other states than Missouri. (Tennessee ties.) As a result, the people here are pretty adaptable, and can find things in common with just about anyone. We're friendly and welcoming. There aren't many stereotypes about us - because we're very hard to pigeonhole. We simply fit in pretty much anywhere, and I like that about Missouri.
If you want to say Missouri "isn't southern", well, OK. But we're as much southern as we are anything else.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 6:53 pm to semotruman
I think what you say is a more knowledgeable point to what I'm saying... I know that Missouri had a HUGE influx of southern influence in part because of its geography and proximity to the cotton trade. But it also had people come down from Chicago, etc and serviced the grain/corn traffic. Southern states all have a tradition of setting up universities fairly early on in their statehood, and even the small town people with means had a history of being educated and then taking it back to their communities. Even before the war... Meanwhile, Arkansas didn't have a state university and was cut off from the economic centers that were in Missouri and Louisiana due to terrain and swamps, and thus, they evolved differently, at least socially. The influence of the Native Americans and the Southwest Oklahoma/Texas is as diverse as the influence of the different factions in Missouri. The 20th century allowed them to catch up, but these basic legacies still make people, especially with ties to the antebellum south, notice the cultural difference and feel somewhat disconnected to Arkansas. I think this is why I always hear about the similarities with a lot of people in Missouri and southern cities. The families intermingled, visited each other, and kept social connections in a way that Arkansas didn't share. All of this despite the Yankee Tigers protecting Columbia.
I'll add that all of the people that settled in Birmingham because of the steel industry, and created a similar melting pot within the city is another reason people have drawn similarities between the two cities.
I'll add that all of the people that settled in Birmingham because of the steel industry, and created a similar melting pot within the city is another reason people have drawn similarities between the two cities.
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Posted on 4/27/12 at 7:10 pm to Bellabama
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Bellabama
All very true. In addition to the cotton trade, there was also a large hemp trade established by southern settlers, and it made its way south along the Missouri River. Southern settlers lived all along the river, and there's a part of Missouri known as Little Dixie. Columbia sits here.
My parents grew up in Northeast Arkansas, in families directly from Alabama and Tennessee by way of Virginia and the Carolinas. Northeast Arkansas is very similar to southeast Missouri, western TN and KY. The rest of the state had some different influences, based on what I know of Arkansas state history.
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All of this despite the Yankee Tigers protecting Columbia.
True, but also kind of a misnomer. Missouri was very split, and the Tigers of Columbia were claimed by both sides. Basically, they were a local militia established to protect the University and the town from both Union troops and Confederate partisan rangers. This area was extremely violent at the time, and both sides did their share of burning, looting, raping, killing and displacing people who were on the other side. And people who tried to stay neutral and refused to take a side - no one was safe. The Tigers protected this area from both sides. Most were southern sympathizers, but the "confederate" troops around here weren't truly affiliated with the army; rather, they were a lot of men who had lost everything to the Union forces and decided to get even. Mizzou was the first University formed west of the Mississippi River in 1839, FWIW, the first in Jefferson's Louisiana Purchase. There are a lot of Jefferson connections to the school.Posted on 4/27/12 at 7:14 pm to semotruman
I wonder if we are cousins.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 7:19 pm to Bellabama
There is no discernible difference between southern Arkansas, northern Louisiana and northwestern Mississippi. Anyone that tries to argue differently has most likely never even been there. Semo is right about NEA and NWA is in a world of its own that's definitely not traditional southern.
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