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re: did you hear this about Ole Miss football...
Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:36 pm to wildrebeltime
Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:36 pm to wildrebeltime
Paragraphs man, paragraphs. You might also want to note, Florida runs the Spread Option, which is a variation of the Spread offense.
By the way, Meyer's offensive system has worked without Tebow. He didn't have Tebow in 2005 and went 9-3 with Chris Leak; and used Tebow only sparingly alongside Chris Leak in 2006 and won the national title. His system was also very successful at Utah and Bowling Green.
All three teams in which he has coached for have improved dramatically from before he was hired and from a year to year basis while he was coach. Not only can Houston Nutt not say this, he hasn't accomplished anything near what Meyer has accomplished and has not done anything to suggest he is the better coach.
By the way, Meyer's offensive system has worked without Tebow. He didn't have Tebow in 2005 and went 9-3 with Chris Leak; and used Tebow only sparingly alongside Chris Leak in 2006 and won the national title. His system was also very successful at Utah and Bowling Green.
All three teams in which he has coached for have improved dramatically from before he was hired and from a year to year basis while he was coach. Not only can Houston Nutt not say this, he hasn't accomplished anything near what Meyer has accomplished and has not done anything to suggest he is the better coach.
This post was edited on 5/31/09 at 8:41 pm
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Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:50 pm to Ross
Ross, like I said. The opposing defenses where Meyer has been were not equipped to stop it. I would have to look at the recruiting bases but it might be that both those programs have the best recruiting bases compared to their competition as well. So they might of always had the talent to beat their compeition, they just needed some coaching sort of like LSU in the 90's.
Ross, I'm probably going to have to cut you off like I did Hawgalude b/c you refuse to see logic. YOu probabaly think Arkansas should be just as good as Florida every year.
Nutt's programs have improved everywhere he's been too but he emphasizes a pro-style system which experts will tell you is the only system that will work where their is parity between opponents. Why else do you think Meyer is trying to change to that? I'll put it this way. IF you put Nutt and Meyer at the same NFL program at the same time Nutt would outperform Meyer as long as Nutt had the offensive coordinator of his choice.
Ross, think before you corresponded. We're about to have to end it b/c I don't correspond to the "moe Ron"
Ross, I'm probably going to have to cut you off like I did Hawgalude b/c you refuse to see logic. YOu probabaly think Arkansas should be just as good as Florida every year.
Nutt's programs have improved everywhere he's been too but he emphasizes a pro-style system which experts will tell you is the only system that will work where their is parity between opponents. Why else do you think Meyer is trying to change to that? I'll put it this way. IF you put Nutt and Meyer at the same NFL program at the same time Nutt would outperform Meyer as long as Nutt had the offensive coordinator of his choice.
Ross, think before you corresponded. We're about to have to end it b/c I don't correspond to the "moe Ron"
Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:52 pm to wildrebeltime
Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:54 pm to woopiginaustin
Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:54 pm to wildrebeltime
You want to talk about recruiting bases with a team like Bowling Green? That team had SIX CONSECUTIVE SUB .500 SEASONS before Meyer arrived. The year before he arrived, they went 2-9! In his FIRST year there they won 8 games, more than the previous two years combined. In the year after that, they won 9. And you are going to tell me it might have been because of Bowling Green's recruiting base? Or that opposing defenses weren't equipped to handle it? Little memo for you: That's good coaching if you are running a system that the opposition cannot stop.
Jesus, you are completely retarded.
bullshite. bullshite. bullshite.
All you ever post is bullshite and irrelevant information.
I posted Nutt's records. They never consistently improved. They were so dramatically inconsistent between average years and terrible years it's not even funny.
Please, please, cut me off like HawgAlude. I can't bear the strain of people of your intellect trying to argue with me as if you are right and I am wrong.
Jesus, you are completely retarded.
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Nutt's programs have improved everywhere he's been too
bullshite. bullshite. bullshite.
All you ever post is bullshite and irrelevant information.
I posted Nutt's records. They never consistently improved. They were so dramatically inconsistent between average years and terrible years it's not even funny.
Please, please, cut me off like HawgAlude. I can't bear the strain of people of your intellect trying to argue with me as if you are right and I am wrong.
This post was edited on 5/31/09 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:57 pm to woopiginaustin
Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:59 pm to Ross
Ole Miss was 0-8 in the conference before Nutt arrived. Their first SEc win was against Urban Meyer in the swamp in a game in which Meyer was repeatedly outcoached. Ole Miss basically won the game b/c they could run when they had too. Florida could not make handoffs, and could not run when they had to. and could not stop the run when they had to.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:01 pm to wildrebeltime
Now you want to use one game as a semblance of coaching ability.
Well, in 2007 under Sherman Texas A&M beat Texas under Mack Brown.
Obviously, using your logic, Sherman > Mack Brown.
Also in 2007, Al Groh's virginia squad beat North Carolina's squad under Butch Davis.
So obviously, Al Groh > Butch Davis.
Well, in 2007 under Sherman Texas A&M beat Texas under Mack Brown.
Obviously, using your logic, Sherman > Mack Brown.
Also in 2007, Al Groh's virginia squad beat North Carolina's squad under Butch Davis.
So obviously, Al Groh > Butch Davis.
This post was edited on 5/31/09 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:05 pm to Ross
no but like i said, Meyer has succeeded on a system that will not work where there is offensive and defensive parity amoung opponents. Meyer does not emphasize running game like Nutt. That is why Nutt is a better coach and could out coach Meyer in the NFL.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:05 pm to Ross
Wow.
Just "wow".
Just "wow".
Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:05 pm to wildrebeltime
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Meyer does not emphasize running game like Nutt.
Florida led the conference in rushing last season.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:06 pm to wildrebeltime
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no but like i said, Meyer has succeeded on a system that will not work where there is offensive and defensive parity amoung opponents. Meyer does not emphasize running game like Nutt. That is why Nutt is a better coach and could out coach Meyer in the NFL.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:07 pm to wildrebeltime
Nutt has beat mack brown twice in three times and all they get is 4 and 5 star players from Texas. They don't even have to recruit. they sign people up. If you can't run the ball, you can't beat Houston Nutt.
Nutt is better than Mackenzie Brown.
Nutt is better than Mackenzie Brown.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:08 pm to wildrebeltime
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Nutt has beat mack brown twice in three times and all they get is 4 and 5 star players from Texas. They don't even have to recruit. they sign people up. If you can't run the ball, you can't beat Houston Nutt.
Nutt is better than Mackenzie Brown.
Obviously, in your mind Nutt is just as good as a coach as "Bear" Bryant.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:08 pm to wildrebeltime
refer to page 7 for why Meyer's game won't consistantly work
Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:08 pm to LuckyLee
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LuckyLee
You usually rush to the scene when stupid shite is posted. Where the hell have you been?
Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:09 pm to Ross
you're on clean up duty today 
Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:13 pm to wildrebeltime
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refer to page 7 for why Meyer's game won't consistantly work
There are two options here:
1. I could take your word for it, shun the reality of Meyer's consistent success at three different venues, with or without Tebow (which you said earlier is the reason for his success), and then believe Meyer to be on a collision course with destruction.
2. I could look at reality, look at what Meyer has achieved in improving every program he has been to continuously, installing a great offense at each of those programs, and assume that he won't flame out.
ETA: I just looked at Page 7, you are basically calling the Spread Option gimicky. That's fine, you can join the other rantards in denial that if operated correctly, the Spread Option can work at any venue.
This post was edited on 5/31/09 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:15 pm to LuckyLee
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you're on clean up duty today
I'd like some support
According to this guy, I'm not intellectually capable of arguing with someone of his caliber, and he is close to "shutting me off" due to my rampant stupidity.Posted on 5/31/09 at 9:19 pm to Ross
Ross I don't know man. I don't think you can build around a QB also being your lead tailback/fullback over the long term. The state of florida puts the most guys in the NFL each year, and produces 350 d1 signees each year, and he's at the flagship school with alot of talent. But, at Arkansas Meyer's offense wouldn't float bro. meyer would not win 3 SEC wests in 10 years like Nutt. NO way, no how, forget it.
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