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re: did you hear this about Ole Miss football...
Posted on 5/31/09 at 6:04 pm to wildrebeltime
Posted on 5/31/09 at 6:04 pm to wildrebeltime
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B/c the mental horsepower for you to grasp what I'm telling you and keep up and have fun with it and understand it just isn't there I don't think.
I'm just so darn remedial, right?
BTW, did you seriously send those e-mails to woopig?
This post was edited on 5/31/09 at 6:06 pm
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Posted on 5/31/09 at 6:06 pm to Ross
you guys need to stay on topic and answer the original topic.
What are the plans for today?
What are the plans for today?
Posted on 5/31/09 at 6:06 pm to wildrebeltime
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Ross, your losing me bro. Your losing me and it's sad. B/c the mental horsepower for you to grasp what I'm telling you and keep up and have fun with it and understand it just isn't there I don't think. Arkansas is 10th in recruiting potential in the SEC and Nutt was much better than 10th in wins and losses over 10 year span. Florida is first in potential and they are right where alot of good coaches would have them, in first. Most years Arkansas should be about 2-6 to 3-5 within the conference. Nutt averaged over 4-4. Arkansas will not sustain that type of success over a 10 year period in the SEC ever again.
Nutt beat more talented teams fairly regularly and only lost to lesser talented teams 2 or 3 times. Nutt is the best overacheiver coach in this SEC and don't forget about Bobby Johnson.
How many of you are there?!?!?!
JESUS H. CHRIST. How in the frick are you typing these lengthy masterpieces and sending my Yahoo account a fresh email threatening to "pound my arse" every 5 minutes?
Do you understand how homo some of your phrases are?
Posted on 5/31/09 at 6:14 pm to woopiginaustin
I didn't want to have to do it but now it's my sig line. Maybe you will stop with this nonsense now.
(PS-No I will not respond to you and no I will not "call" you)
(PS-No I will not respond to you and no I will not "call" you)
This post was edited on 5/31/09 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 5/31/09 at 6:18 pm to woopiginaustin
Posted on 5/31/09 at 6:36 pm to RGCjr01
i guess we are all in agreement now
Posted on 5/31/09 at 6:39 pm to wildrebeltime
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i guess we are all in agreement now
No, I still think Meyer and Saban and "Bear" Bryant are much better coaches that Nutt.
Sorry.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 6:49 pm to Ross
Ross what makes you think that? their x&o ability? In case you missed it, you can go back a few pages and I have 4 youtube links of Nutt's staff outcoaching meyers staff. Meyer is a gimmick spread coach. He's in a location where it's easy to win big. He could not win as much at Arkansas or Ole Miss as Nutt could. Nutt is the better over all coach. Arkansas is 10th in potential but Nutt was consistantly better than that. Saban and Meyer have only been on par b/c Bama and Lsu have great recruiting potential as well as Florida.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 6:52 pm to wildrebeltime
Ross--
Just before he replies to you, or maybe right after, he sends the same thing to me.
wildrebeltime, why are you doing this?
Just before he replies to you, or maybe right after, he sends the same thing to me.
wildrebeltime, why are you doing this?
This post was edited on 5/31/09 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 5/31/09 at 6:57 pm to woopiginaustin
You can tell wildrebeltime is an intelligent guy though. He uses big words and has remarkable insight on SEC football past and present.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 7:00 pm to wildrebeltime
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Ross what makes you think that? their x&o ability? In case you missed it, you can go back a few pages and I have 4 youtube links of Nutt's staff outcoaching meyers staff. Meyer is a gimmick spread coach. He's in a location where it's easy to win big. He could not win as much at Arkansas or Ole Miss as Nutt could. Nutt is the better over all coach. Arkansas is 10th in potential but Nutt was consistantly better than that. Saban and Meyer have only been on par b/c Bama and Lsu have great recruiting potential as well as Florida.
Urban Meyer
Bowling Green
2001: 8-3 (5-3)
2002: 9-3 (6-2)
Utah
2003: 10-2 (6-1) Mountain West Champions; Ranked #21 in Country
2004: 12-0 (7-0) Mountain West Champions; Fiesta Bowl Win; Ranked #4 in Country
Florida
2005: 9-3 (5-3) Ranked #12 in Country
2006: 13-1 (8-1) National Champions; SEC Champions; Won BCSNC Game; Ranked #1 in Country
2007: 9-4 (5-3) Ranked #13 in Country
2008: 13-1 (8-1) National Champions; SEC Champions; Won BCSNC Game; Ranked #1 in Country
Houston Nutt
Boise State
1997: 4-7 (N/A)
Arkansas
1998: 9-3 (6-2) SEC West Co-Champions; Ranked #17 in Country
1999: 8-4 (4-4) Ranked #19 in Country
2000: 6-6 (3-5)
2001: 7-5 (4-4)
2002: 9-5 (5-3) SEC West Champions
2003: 9-4 (4-4)
2004: 5-6 (3-5)
2005: 4-7 (2-6)
2006: 10-4 (7-1) SEC West Champions; Ranked #19 in Country
2007: 8-5 (4-4)
Ole Miss
2008: 9-4 (5-3) Ranked #15 in Country
That is simply Wins/Losses coupled with significant achievements for the two coaches. If you want to break it down further:
-The year before Meyer took over Bowling Green, they went 2-9 (and had six straight sub .500 seasons). In his first year they went 8-3. Meyer won MAC Coach of the Year in his first year. In his second year they improved again to go 9-3, and Meyer left to pursue to Utah head coaching position.
- The year before Meyer took over Utah, they went 5-6. In his first year at Utah, he completed the school's best record ever for a first year coach at 10-2, and Meyer won Mountain West Conference Coach of the Year, and The Sporting News Coach of the Year. He won the Mountain West that year. In his second year he completed an undefeated season winning the Mountain West for the second straight year, gaining coach of the year awards from Home Depot and the Eddie Robinson National Coach of the Year, along with another Mountain West Conference Coach of the Year.
-At Florida, he has won two national titles and two SEC titles. That is a dramatic improvement over the Zook years at Florida.
To assume Meyer would not have success at Arkansas is foolish. His passing attack symbolizes Bill Walsh's West Coast Offense, but he mixes in a lot of option plays for a running attack. His Spread Option offense has worked consistently at every venue he has coached at.
This post was edited on 5/31/09 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 5/31/09 at 7:05 pm to RGCjr01
There is a link on Espn.com that will tell you each school's NFL players. A couple months ago I was doing some research and noticed Arkansas had 16 active Nfl players. Mississippi state had 18, ole miss 19, Bama22, SC22, Auburn 34, Lsu 43, Tenn was around 40, GA was 42, and Florida was around 40. Vandy was 9 I think and Kentucky was 10 or maybe 12.
I noticed that if you took the average of the 6 fixed SEC teams on Arkansas schedule, the average team had 26 players in, then Arkansas with 16 should give you a little bit of an indication of the recruiting challenge. What do you think a coach in that situation's conference winning percentage should be against the fixed schedule? Nutt won 62%. He is the posterboy for doing more with less. He and his staff are , without a doubt, the best coach in the conference, and possibly the best in the country.
I noticed that if you took the average of the 6 fixed SEC teams on Arkansas schedule, the average team had 26 players in, then Arkansas with 16 should give you a little bit of an indication of the recruiting challenge. What do you think a coach in that situation's conference winning percentage should be against the fixed schedule? Nutt won 62%. He is the posterboy for doing more with less. He and his staff are , without a doubt, the best coach in the conference, and possibly the best in the country.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 7:13 pm to Ross
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Nutt won 62%. He is the posterboy for doing more with less. He and his staff are , without a doubt, the best coach in the conference, and possibly the best in the country.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 7:23 pm to wildrebeltime
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He is the posterboy for doing more with less.
You keep saying this, but what has he done? And I find it funny how you bring up NFL talent of other schools. Do you know how a 18 year old kid becomes a NFL draft 3 or 4 years later??? Coaching.....dumbass.
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He and his staff are , without a doubt, the best coach in the conference, and possibly the best in the country.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 7:32 pm to Choctaw
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Do you know how a 18 year old kid becomes a NFL draft 3 or 4 years later??? Coaching.....dumbass.
I hate to even take part in this thread at this point, but I don't agree with this statement. It is the rarity that a kid with lesser talent gets "coached up" and goes all the way to the NFL draft. It is more common that the kid came in talented and left talented.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 7:35 pm to Choctaw
wildrebeltime:
Its clear that you are just misguided. You really should just give it up and go find you a man. This fascination with Houston Nutt is unhealthy. I know he has nice big voluptuous manboobs, but there are other guys out there. Besides, I'm pretty sure Houston II is straight, and Houston III is way too young for you.
I assume you are located in Little Rock or someplace nearby. There is a big gay bar down in Riverdale thats open until 4 am.
There are some others downtown.
In Fayetteville, Tangerine is located on Block Street, just up the hill from Maxine's.
If you prefer to find some lovin online, just Google "gay dating" and you'll find plenty of options.
I think once you find an outlet for all this furious homosexual energy (not that there's anything wrong with that) you will be a lot happier guy.
Good luck, fella.
Its clear that you are just misguided. You really should just give it up and go find you a man. This fascination with Houston Nutt is unhealthy. I know he has nice big voluptuous manboobs, but there are other guys out there. Besides, I'm pretty sure Houston II is straight, and Houston III is way too young for you.
I assume you are located in Little Rock or someplace nearby. There is a big gay bar down in Riverdale thats open until 4 am.
There are some others downtown.
In Fayetteville, Tangerine is located on Block Street, just up the hill from Maxine's.
If you prefer to find some lovin online, just Google "gay dating" and you'll find plenty of options.
I think once you find an outlet for all this furious homosexual energy (not that there's anything wrong with that) you will be a lot happier guy.
Good luck, fella.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 7:43 pm to DeuceisLoose
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I hate to even take part in this thread at this point, but I don't agree with this statement. It is the rarity that a kid with lesser talent gets "coached up" and goes all the way to the NFL draft. It is more common that the kid came in talented and left talented.
There are very talented kids coming out of high school but there is no way in hell an 18 year old kid would be productive in the NFL. I dont care how talented he is. Jacob Hester comes to mind when i think of someone that got "coached up" to reach the NFL.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:05 pm to Choctaw
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there is no way in hell an 18 year old kid would be productive in the NFL.
That's why the NFL doesn't take them when they're 18. Has nothing to do with them being coached. The main coach the NFL is interested in these kids getting some tips from is the strength coach.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:28 pm to Ross
Meyer is using a spread offensive system, or he has been. Supposedly they are changing this year. That starts out with the QB always in the shotgun formation. The problem with that is you can not effectively utilize a power running game out of it unless you have someone like Tim Tebow who's basically operating out of the wildrebel out all times and a serious threat to run. He may never have another Tebow. Tebow is the #1 runningback on that team b/c statistically he carries the ball 2.5 times more than the tailback. So you have an elite fullback who is exclusively in the wildrebel but also getting the pass protection and receivers to operate an efficient passing game. The only problem with that philosphy is that you are opening up your QB for a much better chance to get injured or at least knocked out of an important game when he did not necessarily need to, or knocked around to the point by the 4th quarter he's tired, beat to hell, sloppy, not seeing straight, slowed down, and not as efficient as he could be. Tebows been banged up but he's been tough. If Meyer could effectively run with a tailback system like Nutt or Saban he wouldn't have to worry about it. Tb #1 goes down he should have a boatload more. and decent tailbacks are not that hard to find. Tebow goes down, their probabaly fricked unless qb#2 does alot of the same things or unless the rest of their talent is just that much better. But, it's a philosphy that I don't think will work over the longterm at a divisional or championship level where there is alot of offensive and defensive parity between opponents like the NFL, or the high level of the SEC. Meyer is in a situation where, his first 2 coaching stops those defenses weren't equipped to stop it. He inherited a good situation at Florida and he's got superman Tebow. I want to see it consistantly work without Tebow at a place that can't bring in as good of surrounding talent either.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 8:30 pm to wildrebeltime
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Meyer is using a spread offensive system, or he has been. Supposedly they are changing this year. That starts out with the QB always in the shotgun formation. The problem with that is you can not effectively utilize a power running game out of it unless you have someone like Tim Tebow who's basically operating out of the wildrebel out all times and a serious threat to run. He may never have another Tebow. Tebow is the #1 runningback on that team b/c statistically he carries the ball 2.5 times more than the tailback. So you have an elite fullback who is exclusively in the wildrebel but also getting the pass protection and receivers to operate an efficient passing game. The only problem with that philosphy is that you are opening up your QB for a much better chance to get injured or at least knocked out of an important game when he did not necessarily need to, or knocked around to the point by the 4th quarter he's tired, beat to hell, sloppy, not seeing straight, slowed down, and not as efficient as he could be. Tebows been banged up but he's been tough. If Meyer could effectively run with a tailback system like Nutt or Saban he wouldn't have to worry about it. Tb #1 goes down he should have a boatload more. and decent tailbacks are not that hard to find. Tebow goes down, their probabaly fricked unless qb#2 does alot of the same things or unless the rest of their talent is just that much better. But, it's a philosphy that I don't think will work over the longterm at a divisional or championship level where there is alot of offensive and defensive parity between opponents like the NFL, or the high level of the SEC. Meyer is in a situation where, his first 2 coaching stops those defenses weren't equipped to stop it. He inherited a good situation at Florida and he's got superman Tebow. I want to see it consistantly work without Tebow at a place that can't bring in as good of surrounding talent either.
I just farted
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