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re: did you hear this about Ole Miss football...
Posted on 5/31/09 at 3:00 pm to wmr
Posted on 5/31/09 at 3:00 pm to wmr
wmr there were numerous times in both match-ups.
Let me clarify something; I'm not necessarily saying it's Nutt vs meyer doing the outcoaching, but there were instances in both games the Nutt coaching staff outcoached , outguessed outx&o'd the Meyer staff. One glaring problem has been Meyer or charlie strong hasn't figured out how to stop the wild rebel yet. Shibest has also exploited some lackadaiscal special teams play
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Let me clarify something; I'm not necessarily saying it's Nutt vs meyer doing the outcoaching, but there were instances in both games the Nutt coaching staff outcoached , outguessed outx&o'd the Meyer staff. One glaring problem has been Meyer or charlie strong hasn't figured out how to stop the wild rebel yet. Shibest has also exploited some lackadaiscal special teams play
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Posted on 5/31/09 at 3:14 pm to wildrebeltime
Hey fricktard,
Which two matchups? You said two times.
And South Carolina, Vandy and Wake Forest sure figured out how to stop the Wildcat, at least the version Nutt runs.
Hell, our shitty defense had it figured out pretty well last season, too.
You do realize when you brag on the Wildcat, you're bragging on Gus.
Which two matchups? You said two times.
And South Carolina, Vandy and Wake Forest sure figured out how to stop the Wildcat, at least the version Nutt runs.
Hell, our shitty defense had it figured out pretty well last season, too.
You do realize when you brag on the Wildcat, you're bragging on Gus.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 3:20 pm to wmr
yea there are things you can do to stop it or slow it, unfortunatly Urban Meyer and staff haven't come close to figuring it out. another reason he's only an average to slightly below average coach in this conference who's winning b/c he's state has the best athletes.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 3:21 pm to wildrebeltime
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Ross you really seem cruel. I am sorry that your once so prestegeous Auburn program is in total shambles today starting at the top with Bobby Lowder the guy who practically owns the program and thinks he's some guru but doesn't know jack shite about football. I am sure within the next couple of decades and Saban's not there getting all the decent Alabam talent you guys will regain some of the respect you had under Tuberville and Dye. I know in sports we have to be patient but please don't be a jerk about it ok.
I'm neither cruel or a jerk.
You have made the following claims:
1. Ole Miss will win the SEC and national titles this coming year.
2. Houston Nutt is a better football coach than Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, and Mark Richt, and on the same level as Paul "Bear" Bryant.
3. Bobby Petrino and Gus Malzahn are both bad coaches and their success should be discounted for various reasons.
4. Arkansas doesn't have any national tradition.
5. Ole Miss is a better venue for football than Arkansas and always will be.
6. Arkansas cannot recruit Texas talent.
All of those claims are ludicrous. The only one of those I even take a second glance at is #1, and that is because I believe Ole Miss will win the West. But even that's not a given; and if they do win the West, they can have fun losing to Florida.
This post was edited on 5/31/09 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 5/31/09 at 3:23 pm to Ross
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Ross
How ya' doin' today?
It's an oven down here in Austin.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 3:26 pm to woopiginaustin
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How ya' doin' today?
It's an oven down here in Austin.
Its a quiet, do-nothing day. Feels good outside, I might take a walk in a few minutes.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 3:29 pm to Ross
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Its a quiet, do-nothing day. Feels good outside, I might take a walk in a few minutes.
My plate is empty as well.
More time for mind numbing message board banter I suppose.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 3:31 pm to woopiginaustin
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More time for mind numbing message board banter I suppose.
Or I could do that
Posted on 5/31/09 at 3:43 pm to Ross
that's not what i've said.
Arkansas can recruit texas. anyone can recruit it. what i've said is they are about eight to ten in the pecking order for that talent. They can go get a defensive end, but if it's the 9th best defensive end in that state it's a below average SEC defensive end. Texas, Texas a&m, oklahoma, Oklahoma state, lsu, TT, TCU, Nebraska, conference usa schools inside Texas and other nationally prestegeous programs get that talent before Arkansas MOST of the time.
We've discussed why Nutt is just as good as Saban and better than Meyer. If it makes no sense to you at this point then you don't understand the game or the recruiting dynamic well enough to take it further. You're sort of juvenile waste of my time b/c you are only capable of looking at wins and losses and i'm looking at each situation relative to recruiting base and SEC tradition and past accomplishments. If coach x recruits a state that produces 20 divion 1 athletes per year, a state that puts 2 players in the NFL per year and coach y recruits inside a state that produces 350, and puts 50 guys in the NFL per year, then coach y should have alot more wins.
Petrino and Malzhan are not bad, I just feel at this point they are in over their heads. Maybe we'll get in to why Petrino is later, but we've already established why Gus is. His speciality is a gimmick approach that won't win a division title at the SEC level b/c it is too easy to defend particularly late in the game when you've figured it out. and it's too hard to run effectively out of. example
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Arkansas does not have as much SEC tradition as 7 or 8 of their conference competitors. Their most dominate times were in a conference that went out of business. A conference where they were recruiting the state they were getting media exposure in, and playing road games in. Arkansas can't recruit blue chip players nationally like I assume you are suggesting like Notre dame or southern Cal could. Notre dame has national tradition. Arkansas best years were before blacks were even on the team.
So Ross, I'm getting real close to having to cut you off like I did Hawgalude unless you can start coming stronger. What I'm telling you is correct, it's the way it is.
let me clarify that. Arkansas best teams were when Nutt was the coach. The winning tradition, the national championship thing you must be refering too was long ago against much weaker competition.
Arkansas can recruit texas. anyone can recruit it. what i've said is they are about eight to ten in the pecking order for that talent. They can go get a defensive end, but if it's the 9th best defensive end in that state it's a below average SEC defensive end. Texas, Texas a&m, oklahoma, Oklahoma state, lsu, TT, TCU, Nebraska, conference usa schools inside Texas and other nationally prestegeous programs get that talent before Arkansas MOST of the time.
We've discussed why Nutt is just as good as Saban and better than Meyer. If it makes no sense to you at this point then you don't understand the game or the recruiting dynamic well enough to take it further. You're sort of juvenile waste of my time b/c you are only capable of looking at wins and losses and i'm looking at each situation relative to recruiting base and SEC tradition and past accomplishments. If coach x recruits a state that produces 20 divion 1 athletes per year, a state that puts 2 players in the NFL per year and coach y recruits inside a state that produces 350, and puts 50 guys in the NFL per year, then coach y should have alot more wins.
Petrino and Malzhan are not bad, I just feel at this point they are in over their heads. Maybe we'll get in to why Petrino is later, but we've already established why Gus is. His speciality is a gimmick approach that won't win a division title at the SEC level b/c it is too easy to defend particularly late in the game when you've figured it out. and it's too hard to run effectively out of. example
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Arkansas does not have as much SEC tradition as 7 or 8 of their conference competitors. Their most dominate times were in a conference that went out of business. A conference where they were recruiting the state they were getting media exposure in, and playing road games in. Arkansas can't recruit blue chip players nationally like I assume you are suggesting like Notre dame or southern Cal could. Notre dame has national tradition. Arkansas best years were before blacks were even on the team.
So Ross, I'm getting real close to having to cut you off like I did Hawgalude unless you can start coming stronger. What I'm telling you is correct, it's the way it is.
let me clarify that. Arkansas best teams were when Nutt was the coach. The winning tradition, the national championship thing you must be refering too was long ago against much weaker competition.
This post was edited on 5/31/09 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 5/31/09 at 4:13 pm to wildrebeltime
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what i've said is they are about eight to ten in the pecking order for that talent. They can go get a defensive end, but if it's the 9th best defensive end in that state it's a below average SEC defensive end. Texas, Texas a&m, oklahoma, Oklahoma state, lsu, TT, TCU, Nebraska, conference usa schools inside Texas and other nationally prestegeous programs get that talent before Arkansas MOST of the time.
You think Rice can outrecruit Arkansas within the confines of the state of Texas?
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We've discussed why Nutt is just as good as Saban and better than Meyer.
Yes, and your logic sucked then just as much as it sucks now.
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You're sort of juvenile waste of my time b/c you are only capable of looking at wins and losses and i'm looking at each situation relative to recruiting base and SEC tradition and past accomplishments.
You underestimate Arkansas's recruiting base, tradition, and past accomplishments, which is the main reason why your arguments are not valid.
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If coach x recruits a state that produces 20 divion 1 athletes per year, a state that puts 2 players in the NFL per year and coach y recruits inside a state that produces 350, and puts 50 guys in the NFL per year, then coach y should have alot more wins.
Someone forgot to send this memo to Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia, because they have always recruited poorly and West Virginia is not exactly a hotbed of talent, and he managed to win there.
I'll also say that any team in a situation where they have a poor recruiting base should expand and rely more and out of state recruiting.
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Arkansas does not have as much SEC tradition as 7 or 8 of their conference competitors. Their most dominate times were in a conference that went out of business. A conference where they were recruiting the state they were getting media exposure in, and playing road games in. Arkansas can't recruit blue chip players nationally like I assume you are suggesting like Notre dame or southern Cal could. Notre dame has national tradition. Arkansas best years were before blacks were even on the team.
We've already freaking covered this. One of the most winningest teams in the country; 13 conference titles in a conference based in Texas.
That conference gives them a link to Texas, like it or not. Arkansas also actively pursues games with Texas teams which gives them media exposure and more of an appeal. You need a firmer grasp with reality.
This post was edited on 5/31/09 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 5/31/09 at 4:14 pm to wildrebeltime
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We've discussed why Nutt is just as good as Saban and better than Meyer.
There is no logic or fact to base this statement on. Nutt has done nothing to put him on the level of Meyer, Miles, Saban, or any top college coach.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 4:22 pm to Choctaw
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There is no logic or fact to base this statement on. Nutt has done nothing to put him on the level of Meyer, Miles, Saban, or any top college coach.
You need to read this thread
Posted on 5/31/09 at 4:27 pm to Choctaw
Nutt is a master ego stroker for exactly THIS kind of fricktard in the fan base. Odds are Nutt shook this guy's hand and made him feel "special" and "precious".
I'm so glad that their numbers in Arkansas become fewer with each passing day.
Seriously, either this guy is a really persistent troll, or has something personal with Nutt. There's no explanation for such consistent disregard for the facts to defend a guy who's accomplishments put him squarely in the middle of the SEC pack, and whose character has been shown to be lacking.
Nutt himself creates and nurtures this kind of overblown grandiosity about his own accomplishments. Afterall, Nutt is the one who sat there in the 2007 SEC media days, in the same room with Miles, Spurrier and Meyer, and talked about how tough a Western Division Ring is to get. Flashing the bling, for all to see...
I have my own admitted man-crush on Bobby Petrino, but I can't imagine being this kind of brainless devotee.
Can we ban this guy? Because he's really starting to harsh on my mellow.
I'm so glad that their numbers in Arkansas become fewer with each passing day.
Seriously, either this guy is a really persistent troll, or has something personal with Nutt. There's no explanation for such consistent disregard for the facts to defend a guy who's accomplishments put him squarely in the middle of the SEC pack, and whose character has been shown to be lacking.
Nutt himself creates and nurtures this kind of overblown grandiosity about his own accomplishments. Afterall, Nutt is the one who sat there in the 2007 SEC media days, in the same room with Miles, Spurrier and Meyer, and talked about how tough a Western Division Ring is to get. Flashing the bling, for all to see...
I have my own admitted man-crush on Bobby Petrino, but I can't imagine being this kind of brainless devotee.
Can we ban this guy? Because he's really starting to harsh on my mellow.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 4:31 pm to wmr
Anybody been fishing?
Posted on 5/31/09 at 4:32 pm to pioneerbasketball
Posted on 5/31/09 at 4:37 pm to RGCjr01
I sent a friend request to your cousin.If I get accepted i'll tell u my initials.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 4:40 pm to pioneerbasketball
Aite, bet.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 5:16 pm to Ross
Ross I think if a prospect lives in that Rice area and likes Rice sometimes he'll go there b/c it's closer. I'm thinking more of the Houston and Dallas area though. Several schools are going to get the better players out of Texas ahead of Arkansas leaving Arkansas with decent talent, but BELOW AVERAGE sec talent. Longhorns, Sooners, A&M, LSU, are the schools that get the better talent there. Then, if a Notre Dame, Florida, USC, Penn State, someone with more national appeal wants in they are next. And in many cases a TCU or another big12 program is going to have a better chance to get a guy than Arkansas b/c it is closer and they are playing road games in that state, and they are growing up watching more regional big12 on TV. Just more exposure. Arkansas is way down the list for Texas talent bro. However, if they were in the big12 where they should be anyway, they'd be higher up in the pecking order.
I'm not underestimating their recruiting base. They have a poor in-state base COMPARED TO THEIR SEC COMPETITION. Their Texas talent will usually be weaker talent than LSU gets out of Louisana, or Ole Miss gets out of Mississippi. Or Alabama or Auburn gets out of Bama. Not to mention, all these schools are closer to Georgia and Florida which are the hotbed states of the SEC. Arkansas is just kind of a remote location sparsly populated where we are always going to be around 10th in the SEC in recruiting like where we were this year. Vandy and Kentucky we can usually out recruit. The others we have no chance b/c of geographical proximaty and b/c living in a small mountainous community where there is not alot to do does not appeal to most players.
West Virginia recruited to a system and was successful with a certain qb in an extremely weak conference just like Petrino was. If you put some of those WV 11 win teams in the SEC-W, it's another 8-4, 7-5, something like that b/c they don't have the defense to compete in the SEC, just like Arkansas doesn't and never will.
Your last thing does not make alot of sense. just b/c we played in texas 2 decades ago, that does not hold alot of water with today's Texas recruits. They weren't born then. The game with Tx A&m should help recruiting there, but it's not going to get us out of the consistant #9 to #10 most years in the SEC ranking.
lastly, as a fan base you should only expect to win as good as your recruiting base allows relative to your competition. If you are 10th, and the numbers will bear out over a long period of time that Arkansas is ahead of only Kentucky and Vanderbilt, then over a long period of time you should not expect to be any better than 10th most years in the final standings. That is why if Nutt had it consistantly around 6th or 7th, or whatever he averaged for 10 years, then by GAWD you better take it and be estatic with if if you are an Arkansas fan b/c you aren't gonna do better over the long period of time.
I'm not underestimating their recruiting base. They have a poor in-state base COMPARED TO THEIR SEC COMPETITION. Their Texas talent will usually be weaker talent than LSU gets out of Louisana, or Ole Miss gets out of Mississippi. Or Alabama or Auburn gets out of Bama. Not to mention, all these schools are closer to Georgia and Florida which are the hotbed states of the SEC. Arkansas is just kind of a remote location sparsly populated where we are always going to be around 10th in the SEC in recruiting like where we were this year. Vandy and Kentucky we can usually out recruit. The others we have no chance b/c of geographical proximaty and b/c living in a small mountainous community where there is not alot to do does not appeal to most players.
West Virginia recruited to a system and was successful with a certain qb in an extremely weak conference just like Petrino was. If you put some of those WV 11 win teams in the SEC-W, it's another 8-4, 7-5, something like that b/c they don't have the defense to compete in the SEC, just like Arkansas doesn't and never will.
Your last thing does not make alot of sense. just b/c we played in texas 2 decades ago, that does not hold alot of water with today's Texas recruits. They weren't born then. The game with Tx A&m should help recruiting there, but it's not going to get us out of the consistant #9 to #10 most years in the SEC ranking.
lastly, as a fan base you should only expect to win as good as your recruiting base allows relative to your competition. If you are 10th, and the numbers will bear out over a long period of time that Arkansas is ahead of only Kentucky and Vanderbilt, then over a long period of time you should not expect to be any better than 10th most years in the final standings. That is why if Nutt had it consistantly around 6th or 7th, or whatever he averaged for 10 years, then by GAWD you better take it and be estatic with if if you are an Arkansas fan b/c you aren't gonna do better over the long period of time.
Posted on 5/31/09 at 5:20 pm to RGCjr01
What are you planning on doing today?
Posted on 5/31/09 at 5:21 pm to wildrebeltime
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Your last thing does not make alot of sense. just b/c we played in texas 2 decades ago,
Are you fricking kidding me? Arkansas played Texas last season. And stop with the "we" crap, it's very obvious you are more of an Ole Miss fan than an Arkansas fan.
This post was edited on 5/31/09 at 5:22 pm
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