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re: Better offensive coach, Malzahn or Sumlin?

Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:15 am to
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:15 am to
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I think they are equally offensive


Well played sir, well played indeed.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:16 am to
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Has Petrino ever won a championship even as an assistant?

This is a stupid thread, Gus and his HS offense have changed the game.


This is a perfect thread for UF fans to state the obvious.

Mac + Nuss > everyone
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25221 posts
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:32 am to
Gus and in a walk over. I am not saying Sumlin isn't a very good offensive coach, he clearly has a great deal of talent in that regard.

But for all I like to poke the Gus Bus and Aubie fans with a stick his system and coaching have proven to be superior to Sumlin.

Sumlin hasn't demonstrated the same willingness to adjust his game plan to the situation as Gus has over the years. By and large Gus will take what you give him... if its the power run then expect to see it all day, but if its the underneath crossing pattern then his QB is going to throw a billion times on you.

His only real weakness is that sometimes he can fall in love with certain plays and try to get cutesy. While this doesn't happen all the time, when it does happen it tends to happen in big games and it usually bites Auburn in the butt.
Posted by swinetime
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:45 pm to
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Has Petrino ever won a championship even as an assistant?

This is a stupid thread, Gus and his HS offense have changed the game.
it was offensive coach stupid if we want to include defense and overall coaching Sumlin and Malzahn aren't in the conversation either.
Posted by kage
ATL
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 2:08 pm to
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His only real weakness is that sometimes he can fall in love with certain plays and try to get cutesy. While this doesn't happen all the time, when it does happen it tends to happen in big games and it usually bites Auburn in the butt.


I agree with this. There are times that I say to myself...oh damn, he's getting in a rut...and when he does, he has a hard time getting out of it. It's not often, but does happen from time to time. It's like he just kinda goes blank and tries something crazy to get out of it, and it doesn't always work.

I think it's a fair argument that Malzahn is the best in the country at adapting his offense to his players, specifically his QB. I don't think there are any other coaches that can say they've been top 3 the country in passing at one school(Tulsa) and rushing at another(Auburn). #3 in YPG at Tulsa in 07 and #1 at Auburn in 13.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 2:10 pm
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 2:12 pm to
Sumlin in week 1.

Malzahn for the season.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25221 posts
Posted on 5/1/15 at 3:57 pm to
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There are times that I say to myself...oh damn, he's getting in a rut...and when he does, he has a hard time getting out of it. It's not often, but does happen from time to time. It's like he just kinda goes blank and tries something crazy to get out of it, and it doesn't always work.


My guess is that he is a rhythm style play caller. He gets into a rhythm and can feel the pace better then most coaches I've ever seen on the sidelines and that makes him deadly at calling the right play at the right time.

Unfortunately when he gets out of that rhythm for whatever reason it seems to throw him for a loop. It is the downside of having a coach that reads the game so well that he depends on having his finger on the pulse of the action. When he loses that read it can backfire on him.

I still think he is one of the best offensive minds in the game mind you.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 5/1/15 at 4:06 pm to
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I'll wait to see what Sumlin can do with a good defensive coordinator behind him and more of a rushing attack, and what Gus can do with a pocket passer who isn't the fastest guy on the team; right now I'd say it's a push.


It's not like GUS has had world beating defenses helping him out either...
If Sumlin was really a great offensive coach he would create a running game, so not sure why you think that will change.

Also GUS has already shown what he can do with a pocket passer. He set school records for offense and passing in 2009 with Chris Todd who was the slowest guy on the team. And he led the nation in offense and passing for two years at Tulsa.
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