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Posted on 12/27/22 at 6:51 pm to texag7
Not nearly as disgusting as anything you've done.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 6:58 pm to texag7
Pretty rich from a scum Alabama blowhard
Embarrassing thread, even for you
Embarrassing thread, even for you
Posted on 12/28/22 at 5:53 am to Shocco
We have nothing but time here.
List them out for all to see my man. Only one requirement... must be factual.
List or stfu!
List them out for all to see my man. Only one requirement... must be factual.
List or stfu!
Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:33 am to Shocco
Still waiting my man.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:53 am to Shocco
On December 15, 1955, the Birmingham News broke the story that SEC Commissioner Bernie Moore was looking into a report that an Auburn recruiter paid one thousand dollars to Gadsden area running backs Robert and Harry Beaube in an effort to coerce them to accept scholarships from Auburn. The twin brothers had just completed their prep careers at Emma Samsom High School. Harry Beaube had made Class AAA All-State. The father of the twins, the Reverend Albert Beaube, said he wished his sons "'would just forget football."
A week later, the SEC fined Auburn two thousand dollars for the incident. Auburn said it would not appeal the fine. Commissioner Moore revealed that Auburn defensive coach Hal Herring gave the twins five hundred dollars each on November 28. Apparently, Herring acted on behalf of an alumnus.
President Draughon commented, "After full inquiry we accept as fact the statement that one of our coaches has made offers in cash in excess of normal grant in aid allowable." The existing grant-in-aid setup allowed players tuition, books, room and board, plus fifteen dollars per month for laundry.
But Draughon offered some additional information. He said, "Persons acting in the interests of another institution" had led the twins to believe they would be given a furnished apartment. When Herring discovered this, he "unwisely, in the heat of competition, was led to make a cash payment."
Draughon didn't mention any names, but he was referring to the University of Alabama. The twins said Auburn and Alabama had been the only two SEC schools to offer them scholarships. Auburn also believed that Alabama's recruiting coordinator had called the SEC Commissioner and reported Auburn's misdeed.
"We cannot excuse the fact that the excess upon Auburn's part occurred because persons acting in the interests of another institution made the original offer," Draughon said. But he added, "To penalize one institution and not the other can only result in sharpening the rivalry."
Jeff Beard, then the athletic director, said he and Jordan immediately drove to the home of Hueytown High School quarterback Richard Rush, who had just signed with Auburn. They gathered goods which, according to Beard, had been given to the player by Alabama during the recruiting season, and transported the goods to the SEC commissioner's office in Birmingham.
"We told him that if he wanted evidence, there it was," Beard later said.
A week later, the SEC fined Auburn two thousand dollars for the incident. Auburn said it would not appeal the fine. Commissioner Moore revealed that Auburn defensive coach Hal Herring gave the twins five hundred dollars each on November 28. Apparently, Herring acted on behalf of an alumnus.
President Draughon commented, "After full inquiry we accept as fact the statement that one of our coaches has made offers in cash in excess of normal grant in aid allowable." The existing grant-in-aid setup allowed players tuition, books, room and board, plus fifteen dollars per month for laundry.
But Draughon offered some additional information. He said, "Persons acting in the interests of another institution" had led the twins to believe they would be given a furnished apartment. When Herring discovered this, he "unwisely, in the heat of competition, was led to make a cash payment."
Draughon didn't mention any names, but he was referring to the University of Alabama. The twins said Auburn and Alabama had been the only two SEC schools to offer them scholarships. Auburn also believed that Alabama's recruiting coordinator had called the SEC Commissioner and reported Auburn's misdeed.
"We cannot excuse the fact that the excess upon Auburn's part occurred because persons acting in the interests of another institution made the original offer," Draughon said. But he added, "To penalize one institution and not the other can only result in sharpening the rivalry."
Jeff Beard, then the athletic director, said he and Jordan immediately drove to the home of Hueytown High School quarterback Richard Rush, who had just signed with Auburn. They gathered goods which, according to Beard, had been given to the player by Alabama during the recruiting season, and transported the goods to the SEC commissioner's office in Birmingham.
"We told him that if he wanted evidence, there it was," Beard later said.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:01 am to BigTastey
ordan had signed Fuell, a highly recruited 6 2, 205 pound quarterback, on December 7,1956. Fourteen schools had offered scholarships to Fuell. Almost immediately, allegations regarding recruiting improprieties and in particular an automobile surfaced. Auburn maintained that an Alabama coach contacted the SEC office and initiated the rumor about the automobile. Rumors of other gifts continued to abound into 1957 and the NCAA began its investigation in late August, shortly before the beginning of the 1957 football season. Fuell, meanwhile, played freshman football for Auburn in 1957, as well as baseball and basketball. The NCAA investigation continued throughout Auburn's national championship season and into the spring of 1958.
Fuell participated in varsity spring practice. He established himself as a hard hitting ballplayer. "Everybody wanted to know where he was lining up before they snapped the ball," McGowen said.
Athletic director Beard argued Auburn's case a first time before the NCAA infractions committee in Kansas City. Then Beard, along with Opelika attorney Bob Brown, and accompanied by coaches Lorendo and Bradberry and young Fuell, argued it again before a seventeen member NCAA Council during an April 19 21 meeting in New Orleans.
But on April 21, the NCAA Council announced the three year penalty. The council said "Auburn offered a prospective student athlete illicit financial aid for himself and his family." Fuell was married and had a son when he entered Auburn. The NCAA said Auburn offered Fuell a motorboat and an air conditioned apartment among other items. The NCAA stated..."the alumnus who primarily was responsible for arranging the various benefits has been identified as a rep of the institution in that staff members of API knew that he was actively recruiting the prospect ... and at least one member of the staff conferred with the alumnus concerning living accommodations."
NCAA Executive Director Byers called it the third most severe penalty in NCAA history. On October 16, 1952, the NCAA had placed the Kentucky sports program on probation for the academic year of 1952 1953 and denied Kentucky the right to play other NCAA member basketball teams. On November 13, 1956, the NCAA whacked North Carolina State with a four year probation.
Beard immediately called a press conference in Auburn. He said the NCAA decision was based on unsupported statements that were disproven by signed affidavits. Beard produced a letter, which had been shown to the NCAA Council, from SEC Commissioner Bernie Moore to Byers dated March 26. "There is not sufficient evidence to substantiate the allegations against the boy or Auburn," Moore wrote. "At no time is it proved that Donald Fuell actually received any cash awards or gifts." Moore, however, following the NCAA decision, toned down his stance and said he wrote his letter based on information Auburn gave him and that he reserved the right to scrutinize all of the facts of the case.
Beard told the press that the NCAA Council had relied on a statement by its investigator who said two witnesses told him that they had seen a piece of paper reportedly containing Auburn offers of extra inducement. Beard said the NCAA believed that Carl Lay, Fuell's father in law in Guntersville, in late July 1957 showed the paper to an assistant line coach at Alabama. Beard also said the NCAA believed that a booster of Oklahoma State had also seen the paper.
But Beard produced a statement from the Alabama coach that he had seen or heard nothing about such inducement, and Beard produced a statement from the Oklahoma State supporter that he had been misinterpreted. Fuell's father in law, in a sworn statement, said, "Such a piece of paper never was in my house ... I know that Auburn has not made any such inducement except a scholarship." The Alabama assistant coach had previously coached at Oklahoma State and Beard implied that in the summer of 1957, perhaps acting in Alabama's interest as well as Oklahoma State's, the assistant coach. attempted to sway Fuell out of the SEC and toward Oklahoma State. At the time of the NCAA's decision on Auburn, the assistant coach was no longer with Alabama.
Fuell participated in varsity spring practice. He established himself as a hard hitting ballplayer. "Everybody wanted to know where he was lining up before they snapped the ball," McGowen said.
Athletic director Beard argued Auburn's case a first time before the NCAA infractions committee in Kansas City. Then Beard, along with Opelika attorney Bob Brown, and accompanied by coaches Lorendo and Bradberry and young Fuell, argued it again before a seventeen member NCAA Council during an April 19 21 meeting in New Orleans.
But on April 21, the NCAA Council announced the three year penalty. The council said "Auburn offered a prospective student athlete illicit financial aid for himself and his family." Fuell was married and had a son when he entered Auburn. The NCAA said Auburn offered Fuell a motorboat and an air conditioned apartment among other items. The NCAA stated..."the alumnus who primarily was responsible for arranging the various benefits has been identified as a rep of the institution in that staff members of API knew that he was actively recruiting the prospect ... and at least one member of the staff conferred with the alumnus concerning living accommodations."
NCAA Executive Director Byers called it the third most severe penalty in NCAA history. On October 16, 1952, the NCAA had placed the Kentucky sports program on probation for the academic year of 1952 1953 and denied Kentucky the right to play other NCAA member basketball teams. On November 13, 1956, the NCAA whacked North Carolina State with a four year probation.
Beard immediately called a press conference in Auburn. He said the NCAA decision was based on unsupported statements that were disproven by signed affidavits. Beard produced a letter, which had been shown to the NCAA Council, from SEC Commissioner Bernie Moore to Byers dated March 26. "There is not sufficient evidence to substantiate the allegations against the boy or Auburn," Moore wrote. "At no time is it proved that Donald Fuell actually received any cash awards or gifts." Moore, however, following the NCAA decision, toned down his stance and said he wrote his letter based on information Auburn gave him and that he reserved the right to scrutinize all of the facts of the case.
Beard told the press that the NCAA Council had relied on a statement by its investigator who said two witnesses told him that they had seen a piece of paper reportedly containing Auburn offers of extra inducement. Beard said the NCAA believed that Carl Lay, Fuell's father in law in Guntersville, in late July 1957 showed the paper to an assistant line coach at Alabama. Beard also said the NCAA believed that a booster of Oklahoma State had also seen the paper.
But Beard produced a statement from the Alabama coach that he had seen or heard nothing about such inducement, and Beard produced a statement from the Oklahoma State supporter that he had been misinterpreted. Fuell's father in law, in a sworn statement, said, "Such a piece of paper never was in my house ... I know that Auburn has not made any such inducement except a scholarship." The Alabama assistant coach had previously coached at Oklahoma State and Beard implied that in the summer of 1957, perhaps acting in Alabama's interest as well as Oklahoma State's, the assistant coach. attempted to sway Fuell out of the SEC and toward Oklahoma State. At the time of the NCAA's decision on Auburn, the assistant coach was no longer with Alabama.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:08 am to BigTastey
Thirty five years later, Fuell recalled his ordeal with heartfelt sadness and more than a little bitterness.
"The thing that really smacks still about the situation is the way the verdict came about, without ever hearing my side, without ever getting any of the supposedly conflicting depositions resolved. Auburn was on top of the SEC at that time in football, basketball, baseball, had great wrestling, swimming, just an all around good program, and for kids to be punished for that was a tough thing to handle.
"I sat out my sophomore year in 1958. We tried to get in a court of law. We took it to court but they would not hear the case. There was no legal precedent at that time. But since then there have been a number of lawsuits against the NCAA, and rightfully so. I have a real hard spot in my heart, not because of what happened to me, but what happens to a lot of people and a lot of institutions with the NCAA's Gestapo type tactics. They put people in the defensive position of trying to prove themselves innocent, instead of actually having factual data. The NCAA goes on rumor and innuendo.
"I'm not claiming that I'm cleaner than the driven snow. I was a kid that, like a lot of other kids, could be prostituted very easily. And I was prostituted, though not to the same degree by Auburn as I was by the other universities that recruited me. Probably the two worst violators of the rules of recruiting when I came along were Alabama and Georgia. What they did I think was take the heat off themselves and put it on everybody else by feeding the NCAA all kinds of rumors.
"Nevertheless, the thing that really hurts is the fact that my parents, who had meager means, and my in laws, who had meager means, made sacrifices to provide certain things for us that we were later charged with having received above and beyond a normal scholarship. That really hurt. I'm not claiming I didn't receive things; it's just that the items they zeroed in on, the fact that there was a Tuskegee appliance dealer that was struggling because of a boycott and I bought some appliances at a good price, that my parents paid for or my in laws paid for, that I should be penalized and Auburn should be penalized for that is ridiculous. And they made a big issue out of a boat which I was dumb enough to buy. I kept it for three months. My dad helped me with the down payment on it. We sold the damn boat, but they made a big issue out of it that Auburn had bought a boat. Auburn didn't buy a boat for me. And the same thing with an automobile. My wife's parents had bought her a car when she was sixteen years old and it just so happened that on her eighteenth birthday they replaced the car that they had given her on her sixteenth birthday. And so all of a sudden we're driving around in a new car; it's her car, and they're saying that Auburn gave it to me. They did not. They did not pay one penny toward it.
"The NCAA investigator came to the apartment I rented in Auburn; he never gained entrance to the place, yet he wrote this report about things that were not in there. He came under the subterfuge of being an encyclopedia salesman. My wife didn’t even let him in. He portrayed us as having all the luxury items.
"My son was born with club feet, so Auburn is a warm place in the summer when I had to report. A window air conditioning unit was bought to put into this apartment that we had rented. We rented the apartment because there were some real good friends of ours who lived in the same complex that had held it for us. It was a small apartment complex off campus. These friends of ours wanted us living next door to them and we secured the apartment through them. And we got the air conditioner. The investigator came and talked to my dad. He said, 'Mr. Fuell, who paid for the air conditioner?' My dad said he paid for it. When they interviewed me separately they asked me the same question and I said I paid for it. They said our stories didn't jive. Well, actually my dad had paid for it; he gave me the money to pay for it. That's how ludicrous it was. You never get a chance to clarify these things; they just put it down as conflict in statement.
"Walter Byers at that time, it was obvious he wanted this notch in his belt. Bernie Moore, who was the SEC commissioner, and his investigation exonerated Auburn of any wrongdoing, but then Walter Byers came to Atlanta. The SEC was going to stick by their guns, that was the word we were getting, and then Walter Byers comes in and I don't know what he did or what kind of pressure he brought on the SEC, but they went ahead and went along with the ruling. I know Auburn got a raw deal.
“I never got a day in court. I appeared in person, made myself available, but they would not hear me. The only time I saw them was in passing in the hotel lobby. That's the reason I label it as Gestapo, because if you don't give a person an opportunity to confront his accusers face to face then you're in a Gestapo type atmosphere. I was in the hotel lobby in Atlanta when I heard about the SEC decision. I went back up to my room and broke down."
"The thing that really smacks still about the situation is the way the verdict came about, without ever hearing my side, without ever getting any of the supposedly conflicting depositions resolved. Auburn was on top of the SEC at that time in football, basketball, baseball, had great wrestling, swimming, just an all around good program, and for kids to be punished for that was a tough thing to handle.
"I sat out my sophomore year in 1958. We tried to get in a court of law. We took it to court but they would not hear the case. There was no legal precedent at that time. But since then there have been a number of lawsuits against the NCAA, and rightfully so. I have a real hard spot in my heart, not because of what happened to me, but what happens to a lot of people and a lot of institutions with the NCAA's Gestapo type tactics. They put people in the defensive position of trying to prove themselves innocent, instead of actually having factual data. The NCAA goes on rumor and innuendo.
"I'm not claiming that I'm cleaner than the driven snow. I was a kid that, like a lot of other kids, could be prostituted very easily. And I was prostituted, though not to the same degree by Auburn as I was by the other universities that recruited me. Probably the two worst violators of the rules of recruiting when I came along were Alabama and Georgia. What they did I think was take the heat off themselves and put it on everybody else by feeding the NCAA all kinds of rumors.
"Nevertheless, the thing that really hurts is the fact that my parents, who had meager means, and my in laws, who had meager means, made sacrifices to provide certain things for us that we were later charged with having received above and beyond a normal scholarship. That really hurt. I'm not claiming I didn't receive things; it's just that the items they zeroed in on, the fact that there was a Tuskegee appliance dealer that was struggling because of a boycott and I bought some appliances at a good price, that my parents paid for or my in laws paid for, that I should be penalized and Auburn should be penalized for that is ridiculous. And they made a big issue out of a boat which I was dumb enough to buy. I kept it for three months. My dad helped me with the down payment on it. We sold the damn boat, but they made a big issue out of it that Auburn had bought a boat. Auburn didn't buy a boat for me. And the same thing with an automobile. My wife's parents had bought her a car when she was sixteen years old and it just so happened that on her eighteenth birthday they replaced the car that they had given her on her sixteenth birthday. And so all of a sudden we're driving around in a new car; it's her car, and they're saying that Auburn gave it to me. They did not. They did not pay one penny toward it.
"The NCAA investigator came to the apartment I rented in Auburn; he never gained entrance to the place, yet he wrote this report about things that were not in there. He came under the subterfuge of being an encyclopedia salesman. My wife didn’t even let him in. He portrayed us as having all the luxury items.
"My son was born with club feet, so Auburn is a warm place in the summer when I had to report. A window air conditioning unit was bought to put into this apartment that we had rented. We rented the apartment because there were some real good friends of ours who lived in the same complex that had held it for us. It was a small apartment complex off campus. These friends of ours wanted us living next door to them and we secured the apartment through them. And we got the air conditioner. The investigator came and talked to my dad. He said, 'Mr. Fuell, who paid for the air conditioner?' My dad said he paid for it. When they interviewed me separately they asked me the same question and I said I paid for it. They said our stories didn't jive. Well, actually my dad had paid for it; he gave me the money to pay for it. That's how ludicrous it was. You never get a chance to clarify these things; they just put it down as conflict in statement.
"Walter Byers at that time, it was obvious he wanted this notch in his belt. Bernie Moore, who was the SEC commissioner, and his investigation exonerated Auburn of any wrongdoing, but then Walter Byers came to Atlanta. The SEC was going to stick by their guns, that was the word we were getting, and then Walter Byers comes in and I don't know what he did or what kind of pressure he brought on the SEC, but they went ahead and went along with the ruling. I know Auburn got a raw deal.
“I never got a day in court. I appeared in person, made myself available, but they would not hear me. The only time I saw them was in passing in the hotel lobby. That's the reason I label it as Gestapo, because if you don't give a person an opportunity to confront his accusers face to face then you're in a Gestapo type atmosphere. I was in the hotel lobby in Atlanta when I heard about the SEC decision. I went back up to my room and broke down."
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