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re: Anyone else think the Playoff will be disastrous?
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:15 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:15 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Playoff allows more margin of error as opposed to BCS having precisely the #1&2 teams correctly identified. 4 teams vs toe, worse case scenario the champion has another game, Big f deal
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Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:16 pm to N97883
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Under the new system SEC Team A knows that they just need to get back on their feet ASAP because a national championship is completely in reach still.
Which is cute but still halfway retarded. If you have to play in a conference that's pretty strong (some here like to argue that the SEC is not the strongest conference) and share a similar record or worse than the likes of Duke...Duke goes because they won their shite conference? Or perhaps MSU?
This will not work.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:17 pm to tiger in the gump
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Playoff allows more margin of error as opposed to BCS having precisely the #1&2 teams correctly identified. 4 teams vs toe, worse case scenario the champion has another game, Big f deal
If it was the top four teams I don't think many people would care.
If you ask the Auburn and LSU fanbases...well, they have a problem with that.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:18 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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So an undefeated Notre Dame should take the place of which of these teams: Auburn, MSU or Baylor? And how do we pick which one? By their BCS ranking?
An undefeated nd would've beaten Stanford, USC, Michigan st, Oklahoma, Michigan with no luxury of a Div IAA team
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:19 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
if those conferences are so terrible then the SEC champ will just win both of their playoff games by multiple TDs every year.
So... win the SEC and then win your two games against cupcakes if that's what you think they are. But they aren't. The SEC is the best conference but there are other great teams from other conferences and sometimes dynasties from other conferences like Nebraska in the 90s, FSU in the 90s, Miami in the 00s, USC in the 00s.
So... win the SEC and then win your two games against cupcakes if that's what you think they are. But they aren't. The SEC is the best conference but there are other great teams from other conferences and sometimes dynasties from other conferences like Nebraska in the 90s, FSU in the 90s, Miami in the 00s, USC in the 00s.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:20 pm to tiger in the gump
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An undefeated nd would've beaten Stanford, USC, Michigan st, Oklahoma, Michigan with no luxury of a Div IAA team
And go on to get absolutely crushed in the NCG by Alabama. ND plays a terrible schedule and is in no conference, we're installing this system so that more teams get a fair shot and to eliminate the team left out; not make it easier for shite teams to slither through the back door and take up a spot that belongs to a school that played really tough games.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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This is insanity. We want the best teams to be 1, 2, 3, 4. Why in the frick do you have a system where the top FOUR are not chosen?
because we have no idea what the top four really are. some years the BCS rankings will downgrade a deserving SEC Champ because they have more losses than other teams from easier conferences.
Assuming some basic level of accomplishment (top ten or whatever) a SEC Champ would still deserve to play the Conference Champs from other parts of the country.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:24 pm to molsusports
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because we have no idea what the top four really are. some years the BCS rankings will downgrade a deserving SEC Champ because they have more losses than other teams from easier conferences.
Assuming some basic level of accomplishment (top ten or whatever) a SEC Champ would still deserve to play the Conference Champs from other parts of the country.
Even if you think the BCS is full of shite you have to concede that the top team will almost certainly be in the top four slots of the rankings. Has there ever been a year where this isn't the case?
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:37 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
ultimately we think so because we have a tendency to believe in the status quo. but that's an assumption rather than anything that can be proven.
the "top team" is such a subjective nonsensical term that it is useless anyway. some people mean the hottest team (like say LSU 2001 or USC 2002), most media people and people who follow the sport agree with whatever the group consensus is... but the consensus can be badly wrong (as demonstrated by preseason and partial season rankings).
If the football seasons were an additional six weeks we'd undoubtedly see cases where a team that would win it all after 18 weeks were not in the top four, or six, or maybe even the top ten after 12 weeks.
You think it is simple because you love the subjective and the group-think instead of wanting a process that can stand up to objective thought or criticism.
the "top team" is such a subjective nonsensical term that it is useless anyway. some people mean the hottest team (like say LSU 2001 or USC 2002), most media people and people who follow the sport agree with whatever the group consensus is... but the consensus can be badly wrong (as demonstrated by preseason and partial season rankings).
If the football seasons were an additional six weeks we'd undoubtedly see cases where a team that would win it all after 18 weeks were not in the top four, or six, or maybe even the top ten after 12 weeks.
You think it is simple because you love the subjective and the group-think instead of wanting a process that can stand up to objective thought or criticism.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:46 pm to molsusports
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You think it is simple because you love the subjective and the group-think instead of wanting a process that can stand up to objective thought or criticism.
This is a ridiculous assertion that I've come to my conclusion simply based on what the hive is thinking. It's as if you haven't been reading whatsoever.
What on God's Green Earth do you think a committee is going to do better? The BCS -usually gets it right-. You can interpolate that to say: well anyone could win at any given time, and while true there are times where a rematch is a good one.
Like when Bama beat the pants off of LSU their second go-around. Are you denying that Alabama was the better team by the end of the year?
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
It's going to get ugly with this selection committee bullshite. Make it a 8 team playoff and use the top 8 teams and be done with it. IDK why they want to get all cute with this committee bullshite. Gonna be obvious bias.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:50 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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This is a ridiculous assertion
then come up with something objective
the human opinion polls are far from objective. they favor teams who were recently good over teams that were not. they favor teams that have more history over teams that do not. they favor teams that are located in major media hubs over teams that are not. they favor teams that have active proponents advocating for their legitimacy over teams that do not.
the opinion polls are great for entertainment and controversy. they make all sorts of people tons of money and allow for stupid debates that have nothing to do with the reality of games already played. but they not only do nothing to improve the objectivity of team rankings they actually do the opposite. They disparage some teams with similar or superior credentials at the expense of other teams which they favor.
ETA: I repeat:
"You think it is simple because you love the subjective and the group-think instead of wanting a process that can stand up to objective thought or criticism. "
This post was edited on 12/9/13 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:52 pm to chalupa
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It's going to get ugly with this selection committee bullshite. Make it a 8 team playoff and use the top 8 teams and be done with it. IDK why they want to get all cute with this committee bullshite. Gonna be obvious bias.
I say use the top Eight and cut two games from the season. I don't think it's good for these players to be in too many games, too much money riding on their future.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 9:48 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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It's going to get ugly with this selection committee bullshite. Make it a 8 team playoff and use the top 8 teams and be done with it. IDK why they want to get all cute with this committee bullshite. Gonna be obvious bias.
I say use the top Eight and cut two games from the season. I don't think it's good for these players to be in too many games, too much money riding on their future.
I think this thread is spot on. The only good thing about next year's format is that it gets us a step closer to a legitimate playoff. A 13 member committee selecting the best 4 teams is not going to be objective and unbiased. Because there are so many teams and so few meaningful games across conferences, we still won't know enough to pick the 4 best. At least with 8, you cover the conference champs and a few at large, so it's unlikely that the 9th place team has much of an argument that they are the best.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 7:01 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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This is insanity. We want the best teams to be 1, 2, 3, 4. Why in the frick do you have a system where the top FOUR are not chosen?
Why do you have a playoff? To determine who the best team is. You seem to think we would already know who the best teams are before the playoffs. If that's the case, why have a playoff? Why not just declare who the best team as has happened throughout the history of CFB?
The insanity is wanting to have a playoff so you don't have to depend on the polls, while still wanting the polls to determine the playoff.
EITHER polls OR playoff. Not both.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 4:47 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Why do you have a playoff? To determine who the best team is. You seem to think we would already know who the best teams are before the playoffs.
Yeah, why stop at 8 teams since we can never truly no who's better than who? Let's go with 32 teams, just to make extra sure. By the end of the year with the conferences the way we are, top four teams are probably not going to be far off.
Arbitrarily selecting teams because they 'won their conference'...UCF would be a significant underdog to Alabama, Auburn, FSU or even Baylor. There is legitimately no reason to include teams that are simply not playing at the same level.
Alabama is a pretty unanimous #3 and just because they lost earlier in the year does not mean that they should be completely cut out.
We have a playoff and we put the best teams in there -- right now you're an idiot if you don't think Alabama is one of the best teams. If you honestly believe that putting someone like UCF in there (they won their conference ya know) you're insane.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 4:56 pm to molsusports
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then come up with something objective
First and foremost, you're coming at me to be objective about something that is almost purely subjective. You launch these platitudes that I can't foresee who will win on any given day and this is true -- that's why the games are played.
But to sit there with arms folded, pretending as if we can't make educated guesses based on: Recruiting classes, coaching staffs, conferences, recent history, depth charts, etc. etc., is just silly.
Winning your conference ought not be a prerequisite because there are teams in the SEC that would -easily- blow through other conferences.
''How can you know!?'', because a team like Alabama or Auburn and even Missouri would win other conferences, Alabama and Auburn with ease. There are PLENTY of objective reasons to believe that, both subjective and objective.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 5:04 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Give it a couple years. If it does well, then go to 16 teams. If not, then welcome back BCS.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 5:06 pm to SparkyAvenger
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Give it a couple years. If it does well, then go to 16 teams
They'd have to shorten the season by two, possibly three games if they went to sixteen. I honestly think eight would suffice, but I'd love to see sixteen.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 5:13 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'm not fond of the idea of a selection committee. What we will have is what is deemed fair for all the other conferences...and LSU fans. Best teams will have nothing to do with it, only conferences title winners will get in, regardless of how uneven conference champs are decided.
But conference champ only is fine. Adjust and move on.
But conference champ only is fine. Adjust and move on.
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