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re: A question about Texas A&M Offense.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:43 pm to NBamaAlum
Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:43 pm to NBamaAlum
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but I would be interested to see if aTm minus JFF = AU minus Cam.
I would too. It would give us a better idea of just how good they are. He's so good that everyone else benefits from it.
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Without a tipped INT we still win both games, so I'm not concerned about it.
Without a missed chip in the endzone in the Bama game then Johnny Football is second or third in the Heisman voting if he is lucky.
The numbers don't lie. The defense figures you out in the second half.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I don't worry about being "figured out" because truth be told, we were "figured out" this year. MSU played us the EXACT same way schematically that LSU did and we put up almost 700 yards.
exactly. There are only a handful of defenses that could match up with A&M's offense right now.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:44 pm to Adam4LSU
Right now, for the record, here's our current offensive line depth vs. what is coming in.
LT - Luke Joeckel (JR), Nathan Gutekunst (RSFR), Garrett Gramling (RSSO, hasn't played much)
LG - Jarvis Harrison (RSSO), Shep Klinke (JR, broken foot, out for season), Germain Ifedi (FR, redshirting)
C - Patrick Lewis (SR), Mike Matthews (FR)
RG - Cedric Ogbuehi (RSSO), Ben Compton (SO)
RT - Jake Matthews (JR), Joe Cheek (RSFR), Kimo Tipoti (FR, redshirting)
Coming in, we have
Jeremiah Stuckey (JUCO SO) - Tackle
Ismael Wilson (FR) - Guard
J.J. Gustafson (FR) - Guard or Center
Joas Aguilar (FR) - Guard or Tackle
LT - Luke Joeckel (JR), Nathan Gutekunst (RSFR), Garrett Gramling (RSSO, hasn't played much)
LG - Jarvis Harrison (RSSO), Shep Klinke (JR, broken foot, out for season), Germain Ifedi (FR, redshirting)
C - Patrick Lewis (SR), Mike Matthews (FR)
RG - Cedric Ogbuehi (RSSO), Ben Compton (SO)
RT - Jake Matthews (JR), Joe Cheek (RSFR), Kimo Tipoti (FR, redshirting)
Coming in, we have
Jeremiah Stuckey (JUCO SO) - Tackle
Ismael Wilson (FR) - Guard
J.J. Gustafson (FR) - Guard or Center
Joas Aguilar (FR) - Guard or Tackle
Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:46 pm to Schwaaz
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Without a missed chip in the endzone in the Bama game then Johnny Football is second or third in the Heisman voting if he is lucky.
The numbers don't lie. The defense figures you out in the second half.
Without our kicker going full-Bertolet and then having to go for 2 after scoring the final TD, the best McCarron can do on that final drive is bring it to within 1, then hope to make the onside kick...or did you forget that we shanked away 5 points?
You do realize that our lousy kicker has cost us the following points:
at SMU - 1 point
vs. Arkansas - 6 points
at Ole Miss - 1 point
at Louisiana Tech - 1 point
vs. LSU - 7 points
at Auburn - 3 points
at Mississippi State - 6 points
at Alabama - 4 points (5 if you consider that we had to go for 2 after scoring our 29th point)
vs. Sam Houston State - 1 point
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:49 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Without our kicker going full-Bertolet and then having to go for 2 after scoring the final TD, the best McCarron can do on that final drive is bring it to within 1, then hope to make the onside kick...or did you forget that we shanked away 5 points?
That is the point. Both teams missed opportunities but the numbers don't lie. In the LSU, Bama and UF games your point production almost stopped in the 2nd half.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:52 pm to Schwaaz
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In the LSU, Bama and UF games your point production almost stopped in the 2nd half.
You act as if we were blown out in the 2nd half.
Florida outscored us by 10
LSU outscored us by 7
Alabama outscored us by 1
Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:57 pm to Roger Klarvin
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In the case of LSU and Bama, A&M was so dominant in the first quarter that it would have been impossible to keep that pace up.
Your a moron! It was 9-0 A&M first quarter. You kicked three field goals, you only scored one touch down the entire Game and that was a garbage TD at that meaning we didn't stay int the man to man and pressure JFF. You are not a smart feller!
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:58 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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You act as if we were blown out in the 2nd half.
Florida outscored us by 10
LSU outscored us by 7
Alabama outscored us by 1
Point proven. Your point production stopped. You scored 20 of your 29 pts in the first quarter. You were outscored 24 to 9 in the next three quarters. Defenses make adjustments and there is nothing wrong with that but don't think you will dominate based on bad data.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:06 pm to Adam4LSU
I agree. LSU and Alabama defenses have been outstanding for a while now year in, year out.
Coach Kingsbury has said that we are not really a complex offense and don't have a lot of formations. I just feel like the A&M offense has plenty of looks to give any defense, especially with Manziel's running and improvising ability.
Some examples:
Fake Option Pass
Fake Bubble Screen Pass
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Also quite frankly Kliff Kingsbury is very sporadic and unorthodox when it comes to play calling. 3rd & 23?
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Coach Kingsbury has said that we are not really a complex offense and don't have a lot of formations. I just feel like the A&M offense has plenty of looks to give any defense, especially with Manziel's running and improvising ability.
Some examples:
Fake Option Pass
Fake Bubble Screen Pass
LINK
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Also quite frankly Kliff Kingsbury is very sporadic and unorthodox when it comes to play calling. 3rd & 23?
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:11 pm to Schwaaz
ok... then be fair about it. A&M moved the ball when it had to in the 2nd half against Alabama. Moved it pretty well against LSU also, but missed FGs, turnovers, etc. JFF was a RS frosh so he just might get a better grasp of the offense. Yes, if we lose Joeckel and Matthews that will hurt. Nobody denies this. Hopefully we keep one, or both (wishful). But A&M will learn from this season and make adjustments in the offseason. i expect to be running the ball more next year with a stable of good RBs.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:18 pm to Spirit Of Aggieland
Nothing I posted was an attack on A&M but just seeing the Bama game in person you could see the difference in 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarter when the adjustments were made.
TAM is an excellent team with a good defense which in my opinion Johnny Football should give the Heisman to the defense in the Bama game. They won it for him on the goal line.
TAM is an excellent team with a good defense which in my opinion Johnny Football should give the Heisman to the defense in the Bama game. They won it for him on the goal line.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:21 pm to Schwaaz
the A&M defense played near flawless football in the first quarter also. haven't seen that level of execution in a while, and it was NICE!
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:28 pm to Spirit Of Aggieland
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The score in the 4th quarter was the perfect pass that our db barely missed. If you are waiting for 4 quarters for that one play then your staff is stupid. So you are saying your goal is to score points in the 1st quarter and then hang on until the 4th quarter? WTF is that?
Barely missed? That's a good moral victory.
And I am so sorry I started to discuss football with you. I didn't know you couldn't make the inference of a special play. Like the two fourth quarters where we needed one. It's very similar to the pick play Bama couldn't execute in the endzone to win the game. They rarely use that play, and thank goodness they're not good enough to make it work.
The ebb and flow of the offense doesn't normally run in to defenses like Bama/LSU/FL. Normally we're up big in the first, then run our basic package and continue to build on the league. This allows us to play vanilla into the 4th and get reps for our 2nd teamers.
So, keep being butt hurt over losing, we'll keep winning games.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:35 pm to khaos288
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They rarely use that play, and thank goodness they're not good enough to make it work.
I was on the goal line when that play was completed. Saw it clearly.
Saban would disagree and did. Cooper missed the chip on the DB and it's a play they have run before.
Hmmm.... you keep "winning games" and we'll keep going to the NC game. That would be a good compromise.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:38 pm to Schwaaz
FWIW, I don't think any Aggies will be pulling for ND in the NC game
Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:42 pm to Spirit Of Aggieland
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I was on the goal line when that play was completed. Saw it clearly. Saban would disagree and did. Cooper missed the chip on the DB and it's a play they have run before. Hmmm.... you keep "winning games" and we'll keep going to the NC game. That would be a good compromise.
You saw it completed. Was a wobbling duck of a throw, and somehow still a TD. Keep on celebrating that moral victory! I'll keep celebrating the real one.
And Cooper isn't good enough to make the chip every time. He's on your team, therefore your team isn't good enough to get that play right to win the game.
Also, you're in the game this year, gratz. You can thank Baylor and Stanford for that. Because you couldn't do it on your own this year.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
The biggest reason "these offenses" haven't worked in the sec is the level of talent. How many teams have you seen that run this type of system with bama or LSU level talent??
It is just a matter of time until a powerhouse (recruiting team) runs a high powered offense.
Simple fact is football is still a game of 11 on 11, and if you can find mismatches in skill and through schemes, you are more likely to be successful.
It is just a matter of time until a powerhouse (recruiting team) runs a high powered offense.
Simple fact is football is still a game of 11 on 11, and if you can find mismatches in skill and through schemes, you are more likely to be successful.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:44 pm to GCTiger11
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He'll be figured out by next year. Look for them to finish behind Bama, LSU, and Ole Miss in the west next season.
I'll bet you $500 right now this doesn't happen. I don't think you actually believe it.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:50 pm to khaos288
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You saw it completed. Was a wobbling duck of a throw, and somehow still a TD. Keep on celebrating that moral victory! I'll keep celebrating the real one.
And Cooper isn't good enough to make the chip every time. He's on your team, therefore your team isn't good enough to get that play right to win the game.
Also, you're in the game this year, gratz. You can thank Baylor and Stanford for that. Because you couldn't do it on your own this year.
How old are you? The facts are plane to see unless you are so blinded by your homer glasses.
It was a good play but to say your team waits until the 4th quarter to start playing again and you save that play until you really need it is just stupid.
No player is perfect and makes no mistakes not even Johnny Football.
Surely you don't want to compare Texas A&M and Bama the last 3 years.
Don't get your panties in such a wad. You have a good team but just don't think that you will dominate in this league based on what you did this year. Your staff will need to make adjustments to confuse the defense much like the defense will respond.
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