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Posted on 6/22/11 at 5:10 pm to MattP598
Posted on 6/22/11 at 5:10 pm to MattP598
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So "insert any player at quarterback" and he runs for 217 and throws for another 87 and he's such a focal point that every single player on the field is better because of it? Gotcha.
Swapping the 217 and 87 is very possible with our new quarterback.
Based on what? The game is on the road, you lose two of the most dynamic players in football, and you still expect the same production? Please, do us a favor and take off the blinders.
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Posted on 6/22/11 at 5:19 pm to MattP598
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quote: but Trotter and Moseley have ZERO game experience. ZERO Not true
Hmmm...........
And what experience would that be? High school?
Trotter has absolutely no meaningful experience in a D-1 game other than scrub time, and very little of it at that.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:07 pm to atl4tigerfan
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Trotter has absolutely no meaningful experience in a D-1 game other than scrub time, and very little of it at that.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:19 pm to slayerxing
No offense to you or Gatormb personally, but every Florida fan (and the rest of the entire SECr) bashed us landing Cam by saying: 1.) He couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat, 2.) He won't ever run on SEC defenses, 3.) He didn't have any meaningful experience, 4.) JUCO's don't pan out, 5.) He's not smart enough to learn the playbook, etc.. We'll have to see how Trotter pans out (if he is even the starter), but he really and truly is an upgraded version of Chris Todd. I'm not sure why people are questioning him being as good as Todd, I mean Todd sucked arse.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:24 pm to TTsTowel
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No offense to you or Gatormb personally, but every Florida fan (and the rest of the entire SECr) bashed us landing Cam by saying: 1.) He couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat, 2.) He won't ever run on SEC defenses, 3.) He didn't have any meaningful experience, 4.) JUCO's don't pan out, 5.) He's not smart enough to learn the playbook, etc.. We'll have to see how Trotter pans out (if he is even the starter), but he really and truly is an upgraded version of Chris Todd. I'm not sure why people are questioning him being as good as Todd, I mean Todd sucked arse.
So there are no other differences between Cam and Todd? We're just haters and we should expect the same type of quarterback play?
Sure, he may very well be better than Todd. But enough with the Cam stuff. Cam was once a century, and just because people didn't drink the koolaid before he took a snap doesn't mean the same thing will occur with the next guy.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:28 pm to TTsTowel
Listen, Cam sucked at throwing at Florida.
He obviously improved some.
I mean CLEARLY.
If you had seen what I saw, you would have agreed with me. He was always a hell of a runner, but everyone in Orange and blue thought that his throwing was going to hold him back.
Kudos to him.
The odds of being that lucky twice at a program in back to back years? fricking slim my friend.
Auburn is going to be just fine, but they are going to take some lumps next year. Maybe not as bad as some pundits are saying, but even with Cam last year, a lot of those games were close.
Barret Trotter has thrown 9 passes in his entire career. Cam at least won a championship at JC.
Trotter won't be close to Cam, and he may struggle more than you think as a first year starter.
Or he could be the next stud freshmen QB.
Who knows.
People said Tebow was going to bust and he won a heisman his first year, so it can happen. But Trotter wasn't exactly a heavily recruited QB so who knows how good he'll be.
He obviously improved some.
I mean CLEARLY.
If you had seen what I saw, you would have agreed with me. He was always a hell of a runner, but everyone in Orange and blue thought that his throwing was going to hold him back.
Kudos to him.
The odds of being that lucky twice at a program in back to back years? fricking slim my friend.
Auburn is going to be just fine, but they are going to take some lumps next year. Maybe not as bad as some pundits are saying, but even with Cam last year, a lot of those games were close.
Barret Trotter has thrown 9 passes in his entire career. Cam at least won a championship at JC.
Trotter won't be close to Cam, and he may struggle more than you think as a first year starter.
Or he could be the next stud freshmen QB.
Who knows.
People said Tebow was going to bust and he won a heisman his first year, so it can happen. But Trotter wasn't exactly a heavily recruited QB so who knows how good he'll be.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:30 pm to Tiger Authority
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So there are no other differences between Cam and Todd? We're just haters and we should expect the same type of quarterback play?
I don't even know how you stretched my paragraph into this sentence. At no point did I ever compare Todd and Newton. Ever.
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Sure, he may very well be better than Todd. But enough with the Cam stuff. Cam was once a century, and just because people didn't drink the koolaid before he took a snap doesn't mean the same thing will occur with the next guy.
And? It doesn't change the fact that folks openly criticized him and his abilities just like everyone is doing with Trotter. Again, in no way am I comparing their athletic abilities, but I am comparing the negativity that has been said about both before half of you even got a chance to see them play (minus Florida fans when Cam was still at UF). Us Auburn fans have no doubt that Trotter will be better than Todd. Hell, it won't even be hard for him to do that. Todd was awful, fricking awful.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:32 pm to slayerxing
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Auburn is going to be just fine, but they are going to take some lumps next year. Maybe not as bad as some pundits are saying, but even with Cam last year, a lot of those games were close
I agree 100%
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Trotter won't be close to Cam, and he may struggle more than you think as a first year starter.
I agree about him and Cam not being close, but he will struggle no more than Todd did in '08 and '09. Malzahn knows how to win with anyone at QB.
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Or he could be the next stud freshmen QB.
Trotter is a Junior.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:33 pm to TTsTowel
Sorry meant to say next stud first year starter.
I actually thought he was a RS soph though.
There have been a number of good first year starters in this league in the last decade.
I actually thought he was a RS soph though.
There have been a number of good first year starters in this league in the last decade.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:35 pm to TTsTowel
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Fast forward to 2011: Russell Wilson is supposed to be the starting quarterback, as of now. He's more athletic, has a better arm, and more accuracy than Chris Todd
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Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:40 pm to slayerxing
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Sorry meant to say next stud first year starter.
I actually thought he was a RS soph though.
There have been a number of good first year starters in this league in the last
Absolutely. Newton, Tebow, Murray, Mallett, etc.
Unless he got a medical redshirt, he's a Junior.. I know we got him in '08, redshirted him, and then he blew out his knee sometime.. All in all, I can't see him starting for long.
ETA: With Kiehl Frazier being here.
This post was edited on 6/22/11 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:03 pm to TTsTowel
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We'll have to see how Trotter pans out (if he is even the starter), but he really and truly is an upgraded version of Chris Todd. I'm not sure why people are questioning him being as good as Todd, I mean Todd sucked arse.
Honestly that remains to be seen. We've seen what Todd produced, his college career is over. Trotter still has a couple of years before the book is closed. But as of yet Trotter is still a blank slate of stats.
And why all the hate for Todd? He only set AU records in 09 while playing with a bum arm and one of the worst AU defenses I've ever seen.
People continue to make this 2009 comparison of Todd versus 2011 version of Trotter and come to the conclusion that Trotter is so much better. I SERIOUSLY don't get that comparison AT ALL.
Where is the basis for it? Trotter has ZERO, ZERO D-1 experience. I don't care how accurate his arm is or how great he looks in skelly drills, he has no experience where it counts.(By the way, in spring a-day 2010 Trotter by far looked like the better qb than Cam. Many believed he won the job).
In contrast Todd in 09 was a 5th year senior with a boatload of playing experience. He had stops at Texas Tech, juco, Troy, and then a year of experience facing SEC defenses in 2008. Not to mention all of that time in different variations of the spread with different coordinators. He was known to work hard in the film room and obviously he had it mentally if he was able to take the starting position from Burns & Caudle during a measly 2 weeks of fall practice.
If Todd didn't have a 'dead arm' hindering him he would have produced even gaudier stats in 09.
I really hope Trotter(or Moseley) steps in and takes off running, but it's hard to believe either will do so without taking their lumps considering neither has been on the field with a starting SEC unit on the other side of the ball.
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