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Posted on 10/29/15 at 12:05 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Oh there is no argument in that I would rather live in MS than the majority of the north. But the same people that make MS great are all over the south. I live 10 miles from the MS line, the people arent different, but there's way more to do, better food, much better job opportunities, better laws, and no state income tax. I can walk to a comedy club. I can walk to the best BBQ in the world. I can walk four blocks and listen to over 10 live bands playing. I am not comparing MS to Chicago, just to other places in the south.
Posted on 10/29/15 at 1:48 pm to Whereisomaha
That sounds ideal if I was twenty-something and searching for "strange" on a daily basis (however, I lived in Downtown Chicago and the Central West End of St Louis when I was...damn those were some good days) but now I am a 40ish guy with a wife and family and I have the perfect situation at a fraction of the cost my friends up North have to deal with (Madison is a great place to raise kids if you make good money).
We can change the perception of the South by having more progressive town like Madison, Hattiesburg and Oxford. We also need to help the schools produce a better product so employers not only have desirable places to establish themselves but also a good workforce to draw from. It can be done and I hope it comes to fruition for my kids.
We can change the perception of the South by having more progressive town like Madison, Hattiesburg and Oxford. We also need to help the schools produce a better product so employers not only have desirable places to establish themselves but also a good workforce to draw from. It can be done and I hope it comes to fruition for my kids.
Posted on 10/29/15 at 2:58 pm to Whereisomaha
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best BBQ in the world
Memphis BBQ sucks.
Posted on 10/29/15 at 3:05 pm to skirpnasty
ok 
Posted on 10/29/15 at 3:33 pm to skirpnasty
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Memphis BBQ sucks.
That's possibly one of the most subjective topics in the world. I tend to agree though, not my thing.
Posted on 10/29/15 at 3:46 pm to DynastyDawg
What makes it great (to me) is if you ask 10 people what's the best BBQ place in town you are liable to get 7 different answers. I like just about all of the ones regarded as the best so it just depends on my mood. If I want dry ribs, rendezvous. If I'm in Germantown, commissary (my fav). If I want wet and a lot of food, Central. If I don't mind waiting and want someone from out of town to try something new, Memphis BBQ company. If I am walking and want them wet then, Interstate BBQ. If you're not a dry ribs fan, and most aren't, you will not like Rendevous and if you fall into the Corky's trap, shame on you. I can't imagine not liking any of the others though. Never had a bad experience and best I've ever had from a consistency stand point
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Posted on 10/29/15 at 7:49 pm to Whereisomaha
I can definitely agree on that, love the options. There is some good BBQ in Memphis for sure. Actually, we are pretty damn lucky anywhere in the South when it comes to BBQ. 
Posted on 10/29/15 at 8:22 pm to skirpnasty
frick the confederacy
Posted on 10/30/15 at 7:33 am to Quicksilver
This thread is passively answering some questions I've always had. Like I've honestly never understood how you could be an Ole Miss fan, just because it seems blatantly racist and I hate everything about it (obviously a lot of that is because I grew up as a state fan).
It's interesting that most of you, at least in our generation, don't associate "Rebels" with the civil war and/or Racism. I do still find it interesting though that some of you would be livid with changing the name "Rebels", but are behind taking down the the flag. Kind of seems like a double standard. Flying a state flag out of obligation to your state seems a whole lot less offensive than being called the Rebels.
It's interesting that most of you, at least in our generation, don't associate "Rebels" with the civil war and/or Racism. I do still find it interesting though that some of you would be livid with changing the name "Rebels", but are behind taking down the the flag. Kind of seems like a double standard. Flying a state flag out of obligation to your state seems a whole lot less offensive than being called the Rebels.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 7:46 am to skirpnasty
To me, as a quasi-carpetbagger, Rebels isn't a racist term in the least and IMO anyone who associates it as racist is stretching a bit (however many of the PC Police stretch real hard to make at issue out of nothing). Now if the mascot was the "Grand Dragon" or something similar I would be highly offended.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 8:23 am to ABearsFanNMS
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Now if the mascot was the "Grand Dragon" or something similar I would be highly offended.
The Ole Miss Grand Dragons. That has a certain ring to it.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:47 am to Whereisomaha
Just because you're a idiot doesn't mean all of the Ole Miss fan base is. If you did a poll of 1000 real fans of any school in the country, I don't care, North, South, East, or West, they would be extremely proud of where they came from. That's how it's supposed to be. That's all in the makeup of a true fan. Saying you don't give a shite makes you look stupid. The fact that a State fan has to clarify that for you should make you feel bad. I love Mississippi. Yes, we are the fattest state. Yes, we are the poorest state. Yes, we are a welfare state. All things that has nothing to do with me being proud of the soil I stand on, where I raise my kids, and where I will always be a fan and supporter of Ole Miss.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 11:07 am to skirpnasty
quote:Wow.
I've honestly never understood how you could be an Ole Miss fan, just because it seems blatantly racist
Posted on 10/30/15 at 11:09 am to Fins up
Posted on 10/30/15 at 11:09 am to Fins up
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If you did a poll of 1000 real fans of any school in the country, I don't care, North, South, East, or West, they would be extremely proud of where they came from.
Oh you are exactly right. And I dont think you even have to associate fandom in that. You ask 1000 people if they take pride in their hometown/state, the majority will say "yes". Even more so with sports fans.
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That's how it's supposed to be
Why though? Because everyone else does it? So everyone is suppose to be proud of where they come from because thats where they come from? Thats not using your brain, thats just following everyone else and replacing objective opinion with loyalty. If you cant form an opinion of why you are proud of what you are proud of with your only answer being, "you're suppose to" then you are just being a sheep. To me its not much different than southerners standing up for keeping the heritage of the civil war alive. Its a populous opinion down here that you should because its our history. That is slowly changing because we are being forced to think about it instead of just going along with it just because its taking pride in where you are from and loyalty and all that noise.
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Saying you don't give a shite makes you look stupid
Why? Why is it stupid for me to care more about my school, that I love, being viewed from a better light and for my team to win more games. Winning more games means more to me than to keep confederate statues, a battle song of the confederacy, a costume character, or anything that associates us with the civil war. You can ignore the rest of this post but tell me why thats stupid.
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All things that has nothing to do with me being proud of the soil I stand on, where I raise my kids, and where I will always be a fan and supporter of Ole Miss.
So if you were born in North Korea, because that's the soil you stand on, because that's where you raised your kids, because that's whats important, you would be proud of your country? Look I know that is an extreme example, but if you are proud of MS because that's where you were raised and where your kids are raised, the same would be true of North Koreans.
Trust me though, I know my views are in the minority and dont mind anyone disagreeing with them. But dont say I am wrong and give the excuse of "youre suppose to" as why I am wrong.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 11:17 am to Whereisomaha
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Why though? Because everyone else does it? So everyone is suppose to be proud of where they come from because thats where they come from? Thats not using your brain, thats just following everyone else and replacing objective opinion with loyalty. If you cant form an opinion of why you are proud of what you are proud of with your only answer being, "you're suppose to" then you are just being a sheep.
No. It is innate. It's something you are born with. You have to make a conscious effort to come to the conclusion that you have come to, and it's not one that many people will follow you on. I'm not saying you're stupid for coming to that conclusion but it's definitely odd.
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To me its not much different than southerners standing up for keeping the heritage of the civil war alive. Its a populous opinion down here that you should because its our history. That is slowly changing because we are being forced to think about it instead of just going along with it just because its taking pride in where you are from and loyalty and all that noise.
Being proud of being a Mississippian doesn't have shite to do with the civil war. It's about the person standing next to you. It's where most of us call home. Saying it's because of the Civil War heritage is dumb.
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Why? Why is it stupid for me to care more about my school, that I love, being viewed from a better light and for my team to win more games. Winning more games means more to me than to keep confederate statues, a battle song of the confederacy, a costume character, or anything that associates us with the civil war
That's just the point. The discussion about being proud of being from Mississippi doesn't have anything to do with the Civil War.
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So if you were born in North Korea, because that's the soil you stand on, because that's where you raised your kids, because that's whats important, you would be proud of your country?
You're goddamn right. I'm sure 9/10 of those people are extremely proud to be North Koreans and they should be. It doesn't mean that they have to support their current genocidal dictator. They can want change. Where you are from transcends the actions, in that case, of one idiot, and in our case, the terrible thing that was slavery.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 11:22 am to skirpnasty
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It's interesting that most of you, at least in our generation, don't associate "Rebels" with the civil war and/or Racism. I do still find it interesting though that some of you would be livid with changing the name "Rebels", but are behind taking down the the flag. Kind of seems like a double standard. Flying a state flag out of obligation to your state seems a whole lot less offensive than being called the Rebels.
Let me tackle the difference between "Rebels" and the flag for you. The flag has an emblem on it that was used by the Klan to terrorize minorities. That happened to minorities grandparents that are alive today. People alive experienced that pain. That emblem is on that state flag and flew over the heads of minorities every day. IT is far easier taking down a flag than changing the name of your school or school's teams.
While the name Rebels came from the civil war, the term today can be interpreted in many ways. We have a commercial called "I Am A Rebel". Being a rebel today is not revolting against your country in the name of slavery, its standing out and being different.
We as OM fans do not think of Rebels as people who fought for the Confederacy, but just the team name of the school we love. The state flag has nothing to do with OM. Everyone here loves OM more than the state of MS so it does not affect what we love more, while the name "rebels" does. LSU are the bengal tigers because that was the name of the fiercest group of civil war fighters in the state. That is not what people think of when you say the LSU Tigers even though thats where it came from. Auburn chants "war eagle" for the same reason. North Carolina are the Tar Heels for the same reason. Even though thats where the name originated from, it is not what people think of because it does not represent what it did originally. Time does that.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 11:29 am to Whereisomaha
Very well put, IMO.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 11:33 am to DynastyDawg
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No. It is innate. It's something you are born with. You have to make a conscious effort to come to the conclusion that you have come to, and it's not one that many people will follow you on. I'm not saying you're stupid for coming to that conclusion but it's definitely odd.
100% agree, and MS will always be home and I will always have a special feeling when home, but I am not proud of it. I dont think its great just because I was raised there. But, yes, most are not like me.
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Being proud of being a Mississippian doesn't have shite to do with the civil war. It's about the person standing next to you. It's where most of us call home. Saying it's because of the Civil War heritage is dumb.
I never said people are proud of MS because of the civil war.
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That's just the point. The discussion about being proud of being from Mississippi doesn't have anything to do with the Civil War.
I was replying to him for saying I was stupid for saying I dont care. I said I dont care if they remove the confederate symbols from OM. That quote had nothing to do with the state of MS or state pride.
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You're goddamn right. I'm sure 9/10 of those people are extremely proud to be North Koreans and they should be. It doesn't mean that they have to support their current genocidal dictator. They can want change. Where you are from transcends the actions, in that case, of one idiot, and in our case, the terrible thing that was slavery.
Well thank you for making my point. As I said, I know most disagree with my point, but I just dont have that inner feeling to look past all the negative things in MS to stay there and live there much less be proud of it simply because thats where I was raised. There could be some different definitions of what "proud" means to each individual person. Like I said, there is that special feeling every time I come home and I will always call MS home, but I would never tell someone how great MS is. Maybe the people, but never would I brag on the state. Once again, I know I am different in thinking that.
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