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re: OU vs Navy Armed Forces Bowl / Lose 21-20
Posted on 12/27/24 at 3:11 pm to OU Guy
Posted on 12/27/24 at 3:11 pm to OU Guy
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Recruiting hasn't been the problem.
We lost 25 players to the portal. If any of them were guys we wanted to keep, good recruiting keeps them. I don't know what mess we've made of our handling of injuries (or potential injuries - I've heard rumors), but hopefully we recruit more durable players who can fit into Veneable's philosophy of toughness/play-through-the-pain/whatever so that they stay uninjured during the season and we can keep taking advantage of their services.
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Posted on 12/27/24 at 3:48 pm to ouflak
I'm tired of the coach speak about we just didn't play up to the standard here at Oklahoma. Venebles YOU are the one directing the program so stop your excuses and get it done. Your first and second team are better recruits than what Navy has so it must be coaching.
I'm tired of all of the excuses coming out of Norman. I want and hope Venebles can get it done but but so far our defense has improved some but outside of that I haven't seen anything else.
I'm tired of all of the excuses coming out of Norman. I want and hope Venebles can get it done but but so far our defense has improved some but outside of that I haven't seen anything else.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 4:06 pm to OK Roughneck
Venables is stupid.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 6:33 pm to TigerSooner
Good video rant by RJ
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:59 pm to OK Roughneck
I’m not gonna melt over a bowl game where we lost so many players and Navy didn’t. And don’t forget Army win the Joe Moore best OLine award and Navy dismantled them.
We have practically a new offense coming next year. Zac Alley in year 2 to tweak the D.
This year was lost with all the injuries. We beat Bama and Auburn. Had 4 other winnable games with just average to decent offense.
No reason to get upset with so much out of our control.
We have practically a new offense coming next year. Zac Alley in year 2 to tweak the D.
This year was lost with all the injuries. We beat Bama and Auburn. Had 4 other winnable games with just average to decent offense.
No reason to get upset with so much out of our control.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 8:09 pm to OU Guy
Posted on 12/28/24 at 4:59 am to OU Guy
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No reason to get upset with so much out of our control.
But are these things really out of the program's control?
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...we lost so many players and Navy didn’t.
That's part of the recruiting responsibilities of being a coach a the University of Oklahoma.
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And don’t forget Army win the Joe Moore best OLine award and Navy dismantled them.
That's good coaching and good preparation.
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This year was lost with all the injuries.
This is the most worrying aspect of Venables' tenure to me. We literally cannot afford to have so many (top) players out with injury. How much NIL money do you think was wrapped in all of those injured players? Zero dollars? More than zero? How many other teams invested NIL money into that number of players of similar ratings and potential, and actually got something that would be considered their money's worth?
Like I said, I've heard rumors about some of the old-school attitudes towards player injuries under Venables. I've seen it before - played in that culture myself in high school - perhaps even shared some of those attitudes in my youth. But this is a different era. Player injury and pain management, appropriate physical therapy, immediately available medical response, all need to be an integrated part of a modern program. The investment into healthy players is a force multiplier in this day and age, an investment that pays for itself nearly instantly. If the coaching staff can't get on board with this new reality, fine. There are pleny of division II schools, with fewer options, that would love to have their talents, I'm certain.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 5:01 am
Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:17 am to ouflak
Force multiplier? Strange phrase to use.
The injuries were mostly to one room. Our defense was fine all year injury wise. The oline had some too bit the wr room was by far worse.
It seems maybe our WR coach isn’t all he’s cut out to be. Maybe he recruited/portaled in the wrong players. Nic left and he was a legacy. Same with our TE room. That seems to be a coaching issue. But its not team wide either.
Brent has to learn to be a better game manager. Going for 4th up 14, when its first half. You should always take the points in first half and most times in 3rd quarter, depending on score. That makes it 17-0. Then next series he went for 4th in our territory and should have punted to a team who struggled to go distance. Those 2 acts alone allowed Navy back in.
And not using XR on short yard downs. BV has a lot to learn but I’ll give him another year.
Its always easy to nit pik faults in a down year but the overarching issue was injuries to our WR room and bad OC coaching. We lost Arnold because OC tried to make him a pass heavy qb for his season without wrs and a banged up oline. And it caused early game mistakes. He is fired.
Having said that there are improvements coming to offense. New OC, an actual QB coach, the best portal QB and likely some staff changes. Had our defense had any I help we win 9 games (and maybe 10) and the discussion would be different. Margins are razor thin and when you have no WRs then it not only takes half your offense away - it kills the other half. Allows D’s to load box and put more pressure on QB and RBs. More pressure on oline.
Fans are always fast to blame oline but don’t look at bigger picture. If overwhelmed with numbers all game due to no passing game it ruins the entire offense. OC can mask it some and help his QB by play design. But Seth didn’t do that and it killed Arnold and his confidence.
I look forward to what Arbuckle can do along with Mateer. Hawkins looked much better and got some coaching by Arbuckle. Having all off season to gel will be great.
There are issues but there are good things too. Being so short handed I commend the players vs Navy and fault coaching for the loss. But the game itself was just an extension of the injury riddled season, so for me I picked up more good than bad. Good in improvements in offense with very limited roster.
Now we just wait and see if any staff changes are made.
TE coach has highest risk due imo
WR coach has high risk imo
RB coach has some risk
OL coach has low to no risk
D has no risk
The injuries were mostly to one room. Our defense was fine all year injury wise. The oline had some too bit the wr room was by far worse.
It seems maybe our WR coach isn’t all he’s cut out to be. Maybe he recruited/portaled in the wrong players. Nic left and he was a legacy. Same with our TE room. That seems to be a coaching issue. But its not team wide either.
Brent has to learn to be a better game manager. Going for 4th up 14, when its first half. You should always take the points in first half and most times in 3rd quarter, depending on score. That makes it 17-0. Then next series he went for 4th in our territory and should have punted to a team who struggled to go distance. Those 2 acts alone allowed Navy back in.
And not using XR on short yard downs. BV has a lot to learn but I’ll give him another year.
Its always easy to nit pik faults in a down year but the overarching issue was injuries to our WR room and bad OC coaching. We lost Arnold because OC tried to make him a pass heavy qb for his season without wrs and a banged up oline. And it caused early game mistakes. He is fired.
Having said that there are improvements coming to offense. New OC, an actual QB coach, the best portal QB and likely some staff changes. Had our defense had any I help we win 9 games (and maybe 10) and the discussion would be different. Margins are razor thin and when you have no WRs then it not only takes half your offense away - it kills the other half. Allows D’s to load box and put more pressure on QB and RBs. More pressure on oline.
Fans are always fast to blame oline but don’t look at bigger picture. If overwhelmed with numbers all game due to no passing game it ruins the entire offense. OC can mask it some and help his QB by play design. But Seth didn’t do that and it killed Arnold and his confidence.
I look forward to what Arbuckle can do along with Mateer. Hawkins looked much better and got some coaching by Arbuckle. Having all off season to gel will be great.
There are issues but there are good things too. Being so short handed I commend the players vs Navy and fault coaching for the loss. But the game itself was just an extension of the injury riddled season, so for me I picked up more good than bad. Good in improvements in offense with very limited roster.
Now we just wait and see if any staff changes are made.
TE coach has highest risk due imo
WR coach has high risk imo
RB coach has some risk
OL coach has low to no risk
D has no risk
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:57 am to OU Guy
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Force multiplier? Strange phrase to use.
Before the days of NIL, strange to the point of not making sense. But nowadays? We have to pay pretty decent coin, especially for receivers, just to get them to come play for us, and possibly more to get them to stay. By keeping them healthy, not only are we gettting the benefits that you always get from having healthy top athletes around (good practices for everybody, motivated-and-focused/not-distracted, potentially solid-to-great performances in competition), you are also getting a return for likely a very significant financial investment. That all wins games, helps further recruiting/retension, makes fans/boosters/media-partners/NIL-collectives happy, and so on....
So yes, these days, keeping our players healthy is a force multiplier.
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.... various nitpicking of the game...
Sure we can nitpick. We insisted on running that idiotic wide receiver screen 5 times, by my count, for a total of minus 8 yards (including the holding penalty yards) - killing two drives with it. After the first two consecutive times we failed to execute it, I would have torn it out of the playbook and stomped it into the ground and that would have been the end of it. Somehow I guess our OC was in love with that play or something. You replace those blundering calls with a simple rush dive up the middle that nets us two yards a piece, and we probably win this game by a touchdown.
If we had had any of our cache of 4 star wideouts out there trying to catch some of those dropped passes, this game is probably put comfortably away by the middle of the 3rd quarter.
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...various points of optimism for the upcoming season...
He still has a job, so somebody must see something. All of your points are certainly valid reasons for hope. Maybe the rumors I've heard about our treament of, and response to, health concerns were nonsense. Maybe next year we have 4 star wideouts spread all around the field amongst opposing defenses catching ball after ball after ball, making our new quarterback look like a Heisman contender. We'll see....
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 12/28/24 at 12:24 pm to ouflak
JFF was the OC for Navy game and it reared the same ugly head. It was too late to change our offense when Seth was fired mid season but the selection of plays was bad after first 2 series.
And Murray isn’t off the hook either. This RB by committee crap is crap. He played a RB ahead of XR who dropped 2 easy passes. Why was he ahead of others?
And how many dropped passes did we have, I lost count at 8. Thats 8 winning plays turned into wasted plays. What is our WR coach teaching?
I’d be fine if we got rid of all 3 and kept BB. All 3 have failed and this is not factoring in injuries rather the players who did play were worse than HS for most part. Thats on coaching.
I still remain positive that Arbuckle will springboard our offense to be good again. It can’t be stressed enough how much it hurt our defense. All year long.
Yesterday was no different. We had the lead and dominating. Had a change to put them away but failed. Momentum changes and puts too much pressure in D. All the lack of offense catches up as D is forced to make too many stops and law of averages catches up.
BV has fault for not overruling going for 4th vs FG. My guess is OC wanted to go for it and BV agreed vice overruled. But no matter what the play call was bad. Kick the FG. Same with next series.
I think we had some bad eggs in WR room plus a WR coach in over his head. And they are all gone, so we need to let the new OC cook. If he replaces some/all of those 3 coaches its fine by me.
BV needs to improve “in game” decisions. We led all 3 bowl games by double digits and lost.
And Murray isn’t off the hook either. This RB by committee crap is crap. He played a RB ahead of XR who dropped 2 easy passes. Why was he ahead of others?
And how many dropped passes did we have, I lost count at 8. Thats 8 winning plays turned into wasted plays. What is our WR coach teaching?
I’d be fine if we got rid of all 3 and kept BB. All 3 have failed and this is not factoring in injuries rather the players who did play were worse than HS for most part. Thats on coaching.
I still remain positive that Arbuckle will springboard our offense to be good again. It can’t be stressed enough how much it hurt our defense. All year long.
Yesterday was no different. We had the lead and dominating. Had a change to put them away but failed. Momentum changes and puts too much pressure in D. All the lack of offense catches up as D is forced to make too many stops and law of averages catches up.
BV has fault for not overruling going for 4th vs FG. My guess is OC wanted to go for it and BV agreed vice overruled. But no matter what the play call was bad. Kick the FG. Same with next series.
I think we had some bad eggs in WR room plus a WR coach in over his head. And they are all gone, so we need to let the new OC cook. If he replaces some/all of those 3 coaches its fine by me.
BV needs to improve “in game” decisions. We led all 3 bowl games by double digits and lost.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:55 pm to OU Guy
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