re: Physicists Find the Soul?

I don't know much about them either, to be honest. That's why I posed the thread title as a question.

However, I do know enough that being a philosopher doesn't mean the person isn't to be considered seriously in other academic circles. Physics for instance. The guy Kentucker was running through the mud seems to have quite a resume. But who am I to know?

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Interesting. So when I flatlined back in '04 and my heart started to decay (scar is still there visible through MRI), I wasn't really dead?

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That you're alive today proves you weren't dead then. Since you have scarring in your heart, some cells obviously died but they weren't resurrected. They were merely replaced with scar tissue.

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And what about the study I linked from the neuroscientists that seem to have shown evidence that an unconscious person can have awareness separated from their person under certain conditions -- and that happened to me, btw --, that is bunk?

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Awareness could only be proved if the subject could read a sign placed far above his head in an experiment. Anecdotes of out-of-body experiences can be easily ascribed to mental states that seem very real. To me they seem similar to fugue state, in which a subject's memories are jumbled or suppressed.

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And yes, while it's true that information can be transformed, but not destroyed, you have no idea that it doesnt continue on as some sort of aggregate of you.

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Actually, I do. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that the state of entropy of the entire universe, as an isolated system, will always increase over time. When a person dies, all of the molecules in his body begin to seek high entropy.

The processes that supplied the energy for maintaining him are now absent. Any assemblage, or aggragate (I like that word), of molecules that forms a structure can only persist in the presence of an energy source.

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Seems to me this is far from settled. And loads of other folks agree, it seems. Like, every clergyman that's ever existed in all of human history,

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From a strictly scientific point of view it is definitely settled. I'm not anti-philosophy/religion because I understand that it's a human trait (foible?) and gives comfort and purpose for a great many.

However, I think it's critical that science and philosophy/religion not be mixed. True science cannot be conducted when variables that have no physical states are included.

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The guy Kentucker was running through the mud seems to have quite a resume.

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I really wasn't dissing his intellect and accomplishments. I like him. I've listened to him on many panels discussing various scientific ideas.

However, I do, as did Stephen Hawking and many of Penrose's other peers, think him guilty of being irrational by attempting to mix science and philosophy. It can come to nothing.

Apologies. I read you wrong then.

I still think it seems arrogant though to say things like nothing can come of the man's work. Seems to me that science is never "definitely settled."

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I still think it seems arrogant though to say things like nothing can come of the man's work. Seems to me that science is never "definitely settled."

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He has to decide whether he'll publish his work on the subject and submit it for peer review. Based on history, though, it isn't likely. Penrose, like most scientists, lives in a "publish or perish" world. He isn't the first to publish something that has virtually no chance of being taken seriously in the scientific community.

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You don't think simulation hypothesis can ever move into the theory phase of science?

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I don't like this fad. It may be appealing in the lay world but, again, the vicious community of peer rewiewers are licking their chops and salivating at the prospect of someone submitting a paper for them to attack. In my opinion it's just soft science.

Kentucker, have you seen this yet? It's a new interpretation of Schrodinger's Cat.

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This seems to me to suggest that people can observe two different histories of an event on the same timeline. But how can this be?

I thought that was a cat that got saved from the Nazis. Next you're going to tell me Schindler's list are rules of physics or something.

You are so fake news.

There is a brunette in Fayetteville capable of proving to Penrose that not everyone has a soul.