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Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:13 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:13 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:this is where we are going to have a disagreement. You can look back at the lakers in the 50s with Mikan. The Celtics in the 60s with Russell. The bulls in the 90s with MJ
No one player is too good to lose.
You just weren't going to beat them because they just straight werent going to let you
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:28 pm to WestCoastAg
Mikan doesn't get the credit he deserves. NBAs first superstar and the first in a long line of all-time great Lakers centers 
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:30 pm to UMRealist
Mikan was dunzo the second they let teams have more than 2 black players
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:31 pm to genro
nuh uh
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:32 pm to UMRealist
yeah huh.
Though shaq idolized him. I remembered reading when mikan died penniless, shaq paid for his funeral
Though shaq idolized him. I remembered reading when mikan died penniless, shaq paid for his funeral
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:36 pm to genro
"Without 99, there is no me." - Shaq
He recognized
He recognized
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:42 pm to genro
The nba was open to black players in the early 50s. And he was a 20/12 player up until his retirement and that is with all of the injuries he had.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:45 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
The nba was open to black players in the early 50s but every team abided by an unwritten rule of only a couple per team.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:49 pm to genro
So he dominated in a white league. I don't see how that's any different from someone like babe Ruth or ty Cobb. They never faced any black players. If your argument is that his accomplishments deserve an asterisk because he never faced more than a handful of black players, fine I'll give you that. But if you were saying that his career was over when black players became more prominent, then I'll have to disagree when he was a 20/12 player up until his last year and this is considering all the injuries he had
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:01 pm to WestCoastAg
Mikan basically invented the center position. But it was a different era and I don't think any comparison even to the stars of 60s is fair.
The guys like him, Schayes, Arizin... I think you have to give them credit for being pioneers but you can't consider them all-time greats. I'm searching for an apt analogy....
You wouldn't have rock n roll as we know it without Hank Williams. But what Hank did was different than rock n roll. You wouldn't put him up there next to the beatles and led zeppelin and aerosmith.
The guys like him, Schayes, Arizin... I think you have to give them credit for being pioneers but you can't consider them all-time greats. I'm searching for an apt analogy....
You wouldn't have rock n roll as we know it without Hank Williams. But what Hank did was different than rock n roll. You wouldn't put him up there next to the beatles and led zeppelin and aerosmith.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:08 pm to genro
well you didn't address the comparisons he made to early baseball with Ruth and Cobb among others. They are still considered all-time greats are they not?
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:11 pm to genro
That's why I said I'll give you that his accomplishments aren't on the same level as others because he played in an era without black players. What I was disagreeing with you was when you said he was done because of black players.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:11 pm to UMRealist
Maybe 
Apples and oranges though
Apples and oranges though
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:12 pm to genro
How? Babe Ruth is often credited for taking baseball out of the dead ball era. But he was never facing satchel Paige
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:14 pm to WestCoastAg
Just as mikan was the first superstar, but black players were playing for the Harlem globetrotters instead of inside the NBA
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:14 pm to WestCoastAg
Well your comparison falls flat when you bring in Satchel Paige. 
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:16 pm to genro
Satchel Paige waisted his prime in the negro leagues in the 20s and 30s did he not?
And I didn't mean him specifically. Just used him as an example that multiple black players couldn't play and there are potential stars that the league missed. Just like mikan in the NBA
And I didn't mean him specifically. Just used him as an example that multiple black players couldn't play and there are potential stars that the league missed. Just like mikan in the NBA
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:26 pm to WestCoastAg
I really don't know. Basketball is the most "exposed" sport. You can see exactly what's going. You can see the moves and the speed and everything else clear as day. There's not nearly as much to interpret as there is in other sports. It's much more difficult for me to watch an old grainy baseball clip and tell how the ball comes out of the pitcher's glove, how it spins and how fast it moves and all the little minute details that make up the difference between 1920s pitching and modern pitching.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 5:46 pm to genro
Hollins not retained. Damn.
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 5:50 pm to genro
No he wasn't.
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