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Posted on 1/21/18 at 10:56 pm to KSGamecock
Posted on 1/21/18 at 10:56 pm to KSGamecock
"WASHINGTON — In the $600 billion annual Defense Department budgets, the $22 million spent on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was almost impossible to find.
Which was how the Pentagon wanted it.
For years, the program investigated reports of unidentified flying objects, according to Defense Department officials, interviews with program participants and records obtained by The New York Times. It was run by a military intelligence official, Luis Elizondo, on the fifth floor of the Pentagon’s C Ring, deep within the building’s maze."
I hope in this era of fake news the New York Times is still considered legitimate.
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That didn't take long to refute.
Also, it is refuted by common sense. The US is the world's preiminent superpower. To suggest they are as incompetent as you do is foolish. The Government is excellent at all things military related. The best in the whole world.
And the UFO problem is a military problem..
ETA: They have lied to the public for more than 70 years about their interest in UFOs and in spite of thousands of people claiming the opposite, their propaganda campaign has still worked like a charm. Well enough that people are still openly ridiculed for speaking openly about a legitimate phenomenon that potentially poses a real threat to our very existence.
The idea that our Government can't keep something under wraps is absurd. They literally wrote the book on the shite.
Which was how the Pentagon wanted it.
For years, the program investigated reports of unidentified flying objects, according to Defense Department officials, interviews with program participants and records obtained by The New York Times. It was run by a military intelligence official, Luis Elizondo, on the fifth floor of the Pentagon’s C Ring, deep within the building’s maze."
I hope in this era of fake news the New York Times is still considered legitimate.
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That didn't take long to refute.
Also, it is refuted by common sense. The US is the world's preiminent superpower. To suggest they are as incompetent as you do is foolish. The Government is excellent at all things military related. The best in the whole world.
And the UFO problem is a military problem..
ETA: They have lied to the public for more than 70 years about their interest in UFOs and in spite of thousands of people claiming the opposite, their propaganda campaign has still worked like a charm. Well enough that people are still openly ridiculed for speaking openly about a legitimate phenomenon that potentially poses a real threat to our very existence.
The idea that our Government can't keep something under wraps is absurd. They literally wrote the book on the shite.
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Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:00 pm to BoarEd
Yes I'm familiar with that story, I started a thread about it here when it broke.
$22 million is chump change in the DoD. Literally nothing, especially when spread over a span of years which this was.
Mr. Elizondo has also been very public which is complete bullshite. Anyone that's worked even somewhat close to the more secret squirrelly parts of Military Intelligence knows how many NDAs those folks have to sign and the ramifications of breaking them. You don't just get to walk away from a job, even as a civilian, and run your mouth, especially not at that level of things. I absolutely do not believe what he's saying. If any of it was true you wouldn't hear about it and he'd be in a federal prison.
$22 million is chump change in the DoD. Literally nothing, especially when spread over a span of years which this was.
Mr. Elizondo has also been very public which is complete bullshite. Anyone that's worked even somewhat close to the more secret squirrelly parts of Military Intelligence knows how many NDAs those folks have to sign and the ramifications of breaking them. You don't just get to walk away from a job, even as a civilian, and run your mouth, especially not at that level of things. I absolutely do not believe what he's saying. If any of it was true you wouldn't hear about it and he'd be in a federal prison.
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Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:03 pm to KSGamecock
Yes. This is a controlled release. Which further proves your point incorrect. It's a psyop.
Which is, in fact, a conspiracy which aims to control your thoughts on the matter.
You negate your own claims and don't even realize it.
Which is, in fact, a conspiracy which aims to control your thoughts on the matter.
You negate your own claims and don't even realize it.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:06 pm to KSGamecock
All the real stuff will be stored in the offices of the National Reconisance Office. Anything being released by any other agency will be a fabricated narrative.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:12 pm to BoarEd
This is the dumbest kind of debate. You will rationalize anything I offer as proof of your theory. Fine, but you're wrong.
UFOs and Extraterrestrials are not visiting Earth. The DoD definitely has some technology that hasn't been released, we saw that with Desert Storm, but nothing too outlandish. Any cover-up of an extraterrestrial presence would have to be quite large and that would be impossible because of how stupid and talkative the average American, even in the Military, is.
The DoD and USG are able to keep secrets because
1. Most "secrets" are boring as shite and just barely qualify as important to national security. 90% of the things the USG classifies as secret are present, more or less in their entirety, through open sources.
2. The few really important secrets they have are highly compartmentalized and only shared with a tight knit, small group of highly vetted and committed individuals who know they'd be fricked if they talked.
When you read these UFO stories you hear about them involving whole Air Force bases like Wright Patterson, Minot, Edwards etc... or entire companies/battalions worth of Soldiers. It's simply too large a population for people not to talk and the gossip mill is a HUGE thing in the Military. Those people would talk, I guarantee it.
Snowden is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. If you were paying even a small bit of attention to the NSA pre-Snowden then PRISM wouldn't have been a surprise, it was more or less admitted to in all but name up until that point, Snowden just blew the roof off it.
UFOs and Extraterrestrials are not visiting Earth. The DoD definitely has some technology that hasn't been released, we saw that with Desert Storm, but nothing too outlandish. Any cover-up of an extraterrestrial presence would have to be quite large and that would be impossible because of how stupid and talkative the average American, even in the Military, is.
The DoD and USG are able to keep secrets because
1. Most "secrets" are boring as shite and just barely qualify as important to national security. 90% of the things the USG classifies as secret are present, more or less in their entirety, through open sources.
2. The few really important secrets they have are highly compartmentalized and only shared with a tight knit, small group of highly vetted and committed individuals who know they'd be fricked if they talked.
When you read these UFO stories you hear about them involving whole Air Force bases like Wright Patterson, Minot, Edwards etc... or entire companies/battalions worth of Soldiers. It's simply too large a population for people not to talk and the gossip mill is a HUGE thing in the Military. Those people would talk, I guarantee it.
Snowden is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. If you were paying even a small bit of attention to the NSA pre-Snowden then PRISM wouldn't have been a surprise, it was more or less admitted to in all but name up until that point, Snowden just blew the roof off it.
This post was edited on 1/21/18 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:18 pm to KSGamecock
1. I didn't say they're covering up an extraterrestrial presence. In fact, I said the opposite. What they are ACTUALLY DOING is creating a fabricated, counter culture driven narrative of an alien presence existing, while simultaneously pretending to ignore the possibility of it and turning their nose up to it.
The result is a web of deceit that allows them sufficient cover to develop their own technologies that, if caught by public eye, will be dismissed as "maybe one of them UFOs people claim to see" and not think much more of it.
2. People do talk. But the psyop has been in place since around July 4th 1947 and it is very, very effective. It's a thing of beauty. If military people talk, they are dismissed as quacks. If regular folks talk, they're crazy.
In the end, it's hard to make sense of any of it and 100% of it is created by the government you are trying to tell me is incapable of orchestrating any sort of conspiracy.
Get the frick outta here with that shite, man. I know better.
The result is a web of deceit that allows them sufficient cover to develop their own technologies that, if caught by public eye, will be dismissed as "maybe one of them UFOs people claim to see" and not think much more of it.
2. People do talk. But the psyop has been in place since around July 4th 1947 and it is very, very effective. It's a thing of beauty. If military people talk, they are dismissed as quacks. If regular folks talk, they're crazy.
In the end, it's hard to make sense of any of it and 100% of it is created by the government you are trying to tell me is incapable of orchestrating any sort of conspiracy.
Get the frick outta here with that shite, man. I know better.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:22 pm to BoarEd
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In the end, it's hard to make sense of any of it and 100% of it is created by the government you are trying to tell me is incapable of orchestrating any sort of conspiracy.
I'll illustrate the point to you this way. Both CGSC and I are Army Officers and there are a few others on here as well.
We're the type of people you're talking about and we post on the fricking Rant.
You think we're capable of a massive conspiracy?
Get the frick outta here with that shite man.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:22 pm to BoarEd
Also, I know full well what sorts of technologies they were testing in the first gulf war.
And I know some of the other platforms they have at their disposal.
Which again, is why I say these things are Government craft.
They have technology that can bewitch your eyes, ears, and everything else.
And I know some of the other platforms they have at their disposal.
Which again, is why I say these things are Government craft.
They have technology that can bewitch your eyes, ears, and everything else.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:26 pm to BoarEd
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They have technology that can bewitch your eyes, ears, and everything else.
We have lasers that will blind you permanently and acoustic weapons that will make you collapse and could potentially kill you. All of that is publicly known and others have them as well.
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We do not have weapons capable of mind control or making people believe they saw UFOs or Aliens. That's several bridges too far.
You've gone full tinfoil.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:28 pm to KSGamecock
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I'll illustrate the point to you this way. Both CGSC and I are Army Officers and there are a few others on here as well.
Maybe then you are familiar with the less than lethal doctrine of Col John Alexander? Or perhaps Colonel Michael Aquino?
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:31 pm to KSGamecock
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We do not have weapons capable of mind control
False.
You need to catch up, man. Especially if you're a military officer. Here is a page on the silent sounds platforms they were deploying in the first gulf war.
Systems that can cause a platoon full of armed soldiers drop their weapons and surrender to an unarmed drone while dancing in circles.
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ETA: Snippet, "According to literature by Silent Sounds, Inc., it is now possible, using supercomputers, to analyse human emotional EEG patterns and replicate them, then store these "emotion signature clusters" on another computer and, at will, "silently induce and change the emotional state in a human being".
Silent Sounds, Inc. states that it is interested only in positive emotions, but the military is not so limited. That this is a US Department of Defense project is obvious."
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Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:34 pm to BoarEd
Refer back to my earlier point about NDAs and classified information. Nobody with ties to the USG is releasing classified information, especially with how important this would be were it true, and walking around. They would be in prison.
If someone claims to have had a Top Secret Clearance, a crazy job, and is "coming out" with all of their juicy info and you don't immediately hear about them being arrested and thrown in Federal Prison you can guarantee that they're not actually telling you the truth.
...and with all due respect to CGSC, simply being a Field Grade doesn't mean you're not somehow crazy or full of shite. There are a lot of crazy Colonels out there. Their rank doesn't necessarily grant them credibility.
If someone claims to have had a Top Secret Clearance, a crazy job, and is "coming out" with all of their juicy info and you don't immediately hear about them being arrested and thrown in Federal Prison you can guarantee that they're not actually telling you the truth.
...and with all due respect to CGSC, simply being a Field Grade doesn't mean you're not somehow crazy or full of shite. There are a lot of crazy Colonels out there. Their rank doesn't necessarily grant them credibility.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:36 pm to BoarEd
I admit I'm wrong, we did have weapons capable of mind control in the first Gulf War. They were called the A-10, the Apache, the Abrams, and the Bradley. Very effective in winning the hearts and minds.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:40 pm to KSGamecock
Dude, this stuff is open source that I am disclosing here. You can find the literature online. You can even find Silent Sounds' website where they will tell you when and where their platforms have been put to the test in theater...And with how much success.
As I said, this topic would probably be better discussed in a more appropriate thread.
As I said, this topic would probably be better discussed in a more appropriate thread.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:43 pm to BoarEd
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You can find the literature online
Not a single reputable source.
Go start the thread then man, I'm going to bed. We can spar tomorrow night.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:45 pm to KSGamecock
Another snippet:
""All schematics, however, have been classified by the US Government and we are not allowed to reveal the exact details... ... we make tapes and CDs for the German Government, even the former Soviet Union countries! All with the permission of the US State Department, of course... The system was used throughout Operation Desert Storm (Iraq) quite successfully."
""All schematics, however, have been classified by the US Government and we are not allowed to reveal the exact details... ... we make tapes and CDs for the German Government, even the former Soviet Union countries! All with the permission of the US State Department, of course... The system was used throughout Operation Desert Storm (Iraq) quite successfully."
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:02 am to KSGamecock
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Snowden is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. If you were paying even a small bit of attention to the NSA pre-Snowden then PRISM wouldn't have been a surprise, it was more or less admitted to in all but name up until that point, Snowden just blew the roof off it.
And yes, I'm fully aware of this as well. (I am a military vet myself) I have paid attention to the NSA, the CIA, the DoD and all the other departments for a long time now.
The Snowden revelations shouldn't have been news to anyone because this stuff was fully out in the open as far back as 2006. Hell, they ran nightly news stories on the shite. The NSA people they interviewed about it all had no qualms in admitting that literally every phone call was logged and they often listened in on people's phone calls for fun.
The Snowden release was another psyop. They have an ulterior motive in all this surveillance state shite. And essentially what it is is they intend to acclimate people to accept total surveillance at all times.
And I don't blame them. It makes sense that they would want to do this.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:54 am to KSGamecock
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Both CGSC and I are Army Officers and there are a few others on here as well.
We're the type of people you're talking about and we post on the fricking Rant.
You think we're capable of a massive conspiracy?
Non coms gossiping about the brass is as old as the military itself. Sewing circles full of little old ladies gossip way less than folks at most bases.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:13 am to Cheese Grits
Hell, anyone reading this right now can easily prove for themselves that what I'm saying is correct.
Just do a google search on the terms "Naval Space Command" and you will see for yourselves that the US Government has its own space command that operates out in the open (this stuff isn't really a secret, it's just nobody talks about it), and that NASA is essentially just a front for public consumption....
And now you know why we are hitching rides with the Russians to the ISS. We aren't too interested in building more rockets. We have fancier shite than that.
And all this isn't even getting into the really cool shite we have. If people think that what I'm saying is "full tinfoil" ( ), they certainly aren't ready to hear about our breakaway civilization.
Just do a google search on the terms "Naval Space Command" and you will see for yourselves that the US Government has its own space command that operates out in the open (this stuff isn't really a secret, it's just nobody talks about it), and that NASA is essentially just a front for public consumption....
And now you know why we are hitching rides with the Russians to the ISS. We aren't too interested in building more rockets. We have fancier shite than that.
And all this isn't even getting into the really cool shite we have. If people think that what I'm saying is "full tinfoil" (
), they certainly aren't ready to hear about our breakaway civilization. Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:50 am to BoarEd
Space command is to control satellites for imagery and comms. You’re delusional.
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