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Connections in stories between civilizations
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:54 am
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:54 am
Interesting pattern in human history and its tellings of the past
An obvious one of course, is the flood. The biblical account of Noah loading up the ark and surviving a great flood. A similar flood is mentioned in the epic of Gilgamesh in which yet another ship is built. There are also Indian stories, from before missionaries arrived in the new world, discussing the flood and the building of a large raft due to people having visions/dreams of said flood.
Then of course there is the passing of knowledge to man. Be it the tree of knowledge of good and evil with adam and eve, or the passing of fire by the titan Prometheus to man.
There are some similar accounts from most civilizations. It is intriguing, and makes one wonder how these similarities came to be.
Strange to think that these tales are so similar yet the people from different parts of the earth.
This also kinda ties into the whole thing with Egyptian mummies having nicotine and cocaine in their hair (substances that could only come from new world plants)
Were the civilizations of the ancient world closer together than we think them to be? Or is it something else?
An obvious one of course, is the flood. The biblical account of Noah loading up the ark and surviving a great flood. A similar flood is mentioned in the epic of Gilgamesh in which yet another ship is built. There are also Indian stories, from before missionaries arrived in the new world, discussing the flood and the building of a large raft due to people having visions/dreams of said flood.
Then of course there is the passing of knowledge to man. Be it the tree of knowledge of good and evil with adam and eve, or the passing of fire by the titan Prometheus to man.
There are some similar accounts from most civilizations. It is intriguing, and makes one wonder how these similarities came to be.
Strange to think that these tales are so similar yet the people from different parts of the earth.
This also kinda ties into the whole thing with Egyptian mummies having nicotine and cocaine in their hair (substances that could only come from new world plants)
Were the civilizations of the ancient world closer together than we think them to be? Or is it something else?
This post was edited on 11/15/18 at 3:04 pm
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:59 am to thatguy45
It's my firm belief that civilization is quite a bit older than we think it is and we were set back substantially around 12,000 years ago with the Younger Dryas impact event. The flood was a result of massive ice sheets melting instantly. Flooded out many coastal cities around the world. And that situated somewhere in the Americas (or perhaps Greenland considering they just found a 9 mile wide impact crater there under the ice with corresponding date) there was a civilization now forgotten that had long since circumnavigated the globe and had trade routes and all.
Plato called it Atlantis.
ETA: Point is that there are many, many such examples of cultural universals that don't make much sense without a predeccesor civilization.
Dragons for example.
Plato called it Atlantis.
ETA: Point is that there are many, many such examples of cultural universals that don't make much sense without a predeccesor civilization.
Dragons for example.
This post was edited on 11/15/18 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 11/15/18 at 12:05 pm to BoarEd
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Point is that there are many, many such examples of cultural universals that don't make much sense without a predeccesor civilization.
This is my thought. In all likelihood Atlantis in some form was real. The bible of course has its pre flood civilizations, Indians speak of the world having been destroyed various numbers of times. In all likelihood there could've been a civilization wiped out by a great flood, and the fact that every civilization has some account of it means that either there had to be one great civilization that spread its stories or, man originated from said culture and some form of cataclysm destroyed it, leaving remnants to start over
Posted on 11/15/18 at 12:22 pm to thatguy45
I believe all land was once one continent (Pangea). Hard to believe we could have these pyramids all over modern world with so many similarities and no connection. Many math, astronomy, etc similarities are far more complex than most of us are even intelligent enough to understand. (not talking aliens)
Posted on 11/15/18 at 1:58 pm to BoarEd
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It's my firm belief that civilization is quite a bit older than we think it is and we were set back substantially around 12,000 years ago with the Younger Dryas impact event. The flood was a result of massive ice sheets melting instantly. Flooded out many coastal cities around the world. And that situated somewhere in the Americas (or perhaps Greenland considering they just found a 9 mile wide impact crater there under the ice with corresponding date) there was a civilization now forgotten that had long since circumnavigated the globe and had trade routes and all. Plato called it Atlantis.
That's a concise and easily digestible way to phrase your thoughts. I've got years of personal research on the topic that came about from loving to read about antiquity.. which in turn lead me down my own journey into the rabbit hole that is the antediluvian period of our history.
FWIW, I agree with your paragraph in it's entirety. At one point in time I think that this planet was much more like the Myths of old than what we're being told. Whether that information is purposefully being suppressed or we're just way off on our known "timeline" of events is another subject entirely.
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 2:45 pm to thatguy45
As an anthroplogist I share all of your interests and fascinations about civilizations of old. But you really can't get your anthropology from the internet. To echo Dr. Jones, anthropology is done in a library, reading through scientific papers. Following footnotes and reading books with more footnotes you have to read. Anthropology is much more boring and inconclusive than the web articles want you to believe.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 2:49 pm to deeprig9
I was under the impression that linguistics is a branch of anthropology, and any linguist will tell you they believe there is a root language. A universal language long forgotten at this point that was spoken by everyone at one point.
These ideas aren't nearly as fanciful as you believe.
Hell, just the other day I read that they pushed the date back for agricultural development by THOUSANDS of years.
Evidence is mounting daily.
ETA: Interesting to note is that the Bible itself will tell you we have a universal root language. And that all life on Earth came from clay. Which is also now supported by science.
These ideas aren't nearly as fanciful as you believe.
Hell, just the other day I read that they pushed the date back for agricultural development by THOUSANDS of years.
Evidence is mounting daily.
ETA: Interesting to note is that the Bible itself will tell you we have a universal root language. And that all life on Earth came from clay. Which is also now supported by science.
This post was edited on 11/15/18 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 11/15/18 at 3:02 pm to deeprig9
The only part I based on a web article was the Indian's story of the flood. I've read the bible and many of the Greek myths, as for the epic of Gilgamesh, there was a documentary I watched years ago that covered it. Diddo the cocaine/nicotine in mummies
I do agree that it wouldn't hurt for me to go look at the actual texts for Gilgamesh as well as examining what sources are used in documentaries. And of course finding non religious/mythological sources connecting civilizations. Going to the library is never a bad idea anyway
I do agree that it wouldn't hurt for me to go look at the actual texts for Gilgamesh as well as examining what sources are used in documentaries. And of course finding non religious/mythological sources connecting civilizations. Going to the library is never a bad idea anyway
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 5:28 pm to thatguy45
One thing to think about when considering the shared flood myth thing is that most early notable Human cultures, especially the ones that have these myths, settled along rivers for obvious reasons (ready access to fresh water).
You can point to a number of sort of cultural hearths where this happened; the Yangtze, the Indus, the Tigris and Euphrates, the Nile - they all played host to early, enduring, and large scale human societies and they all would have experienced large scale flooding just based on the nature of those rivers. The floods still happen today.
Take that and combine it with the cultural power those societies had on the different collections of unaffiliated people around them and you get these stories diffusing around the area...it's how the Bible got its flood myth as Abraham would have carried it with him from Mesopotamia.
That's what I tend to believe but the wiki I linked goes in to how the myths could possibly point to an actual large global flood event so go wild.
You can point to a number of sort of cultural hearths where this happened; the Yangtze, the Indus, the Tigris and Euphrates, the Nile - they all played host to early, enduring, and large scale human societies and they all would have experienced large scale flooding just based on the nature of those rivers. The floods still happen today.
Take that and combine it with the cultural power those societies had on the different collections of unaffiliated people around them and you get these stories diffusing around the area...it's how the Bible got its flood myth as Abraham would have carried it with him from Mesopotamia.
That's what I tend to believe but the wiki I linked goes in to how the myths could possibly point to an actual large global flood event so go wild.
This post was edited on 11/15/18 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 11/15/18 at 5:42 pm to KSGamecock
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Take that and combine it with the cultural power those societies had on the different collections of unaffiliated people around them and you get these stories diffusing around the area...it's how the Bible got its flood myth as Abraham would have carried it with him from Mesopotamia.
This makes sense as well.
Still, the nicotine/cocaine I find odd, don't know if the Egyptians sailed to the new world and got it or if there was tobacco plants and cocoa trees in Africa/Asia at one point in time, though that's not related to a flood I don't think
This post was edited on 11/15/18 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 11/15/18 at 5:43 pm to thatguy45
My guess on that would be contamination after excavation.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 5:50 pm to KSGamecock
Its possible that its contamination probably the most likely thing actually, but then horses died out in the Americas, before reappearing after Europeans showed up, so the thought that there was at one point these plants in Africa isn't super far fetched
Cross contamination is the most reasonable explanation though
Cross contamination is the most reasonable explanation though
Posted on 11/15/18 at 5:54 pm to thatguy45
Yea man I don't mean to be a buzkill, I love these sorts of threads and indulging in topics like this. I have since I was a kid and my Grandfather indoctrinated me in Sitchin's bullshite.
I'll read about it and listen to the wingnuts all day but at the end of it I don't believe them.
I'll read about it and listen to the wingnuts all day but at the end of it I don't believe them.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 6:01 pm to KSGamecock
I don't blame you for not believing. At least 99% of crap that gets put out there is bs. That's why they're conspiracy theories, myths etc.
Just fun to theorize about pre-history basically
Just fun to theorize about pre-history basically
Posted on 11/15/18 at 6:10 pm to thatguy45
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Just fun to theorize about pre-history basically
Yea definitely. Even some of the commonly accepted stuff itself can be pretty damn interesting, like how one early culture/language spread out and took root in Europe and India. In one place it kind of steam rolled and left us with only one language isolate (Basque) and in India collided with existing cultures and formed this complex caste system. Wild to think about.
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 6:21 pm to thatguy45
Posted on 11/15/18 at 6:26 pm to KSGamecock
The link between the cultures will be found in linguistics.
Also note the numerous sunken cities off the coasts of countries world wide. Indonesia is nothing but layer after layer of society moving up the mountains with LOADS of ruins found sunk all around.
You combine these things with cultural universals such as dragons and the ankh symbol and it's pretty clear that we are missing an enormous chunk of our history.
It isn't a big deal. I mean they're verifying these things on a near daily basis these days.
Also note the numerous sunken cities off the coasts of countries world wide. Indonesia is nothing but layer after layer of society moving up the mountains with LOADS of ruins found sunk all around.
You combine these things with cultural universals such as dragons and the ankh symbol and it's pretty clear that we are missing an enormous chunk of our history.
It isn't a big deal. I mean they're verifying these things on a near daily basis these days.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 9:02 pm to BoarEd
Figure out the clovis point showing up everywhere simultaneously before you try to confuse yourself with linguistics.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 9:30 pm to thatguy45
Most common creation stories like Adam & Eve, The Garden of Eden, The Great Flood, Babylon, etc etc can be traced back to when the Anunnaki created the human race and were still on the planet living among us and guiding us.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 9:51 pm to thatguy45
Get you some Campbell—you won’t be disappointed.
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