re: Climate Change

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You lose by typo.

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Is it though? They’re two different things, one being an island and the other an open divider of two sides.

1: Yes. We have the measurements to back that up.

2: Yes. I know this will greatly offend some folks on here because this somehow became a political issue and not a science issue. Its not the sun, measurements prove that is not the culprit. We are causing the planet to heat up. There are 7.5 billion of us. We do have somewhat of an impact.

3: Pretty much what we are doing at the moment. Yeah, maybe cut back on Trump's policies a wee bit but don't go whole hog on windmills will power the country either. Increase our renewable energy generators and yes, go nuclear.

I know some folks will have an absolute screaming fit over what I said. That's fine.

If you see Climate Change as a political question and not a scientific fact there is very little I can do to change your mind.

Much like I can show the horrific effect on children who aren't vaccinated and get Measles and not change Anti-Vaxxers minds. Once you buy into a belief past a certain level it is damn near impossible to change your mind.

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1. Sure. And it’s cyclical. And we only have reliable data that covers about 75 years when the earth is between 6,000 and 4.5 billion years old.

2. No and no.

3. We probably can’t do anything about it. To think we can is ultimate hubris.

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Nothing but facts up in this post.

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1. Is it real?

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Yes

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2. If it is real do you think humans are causing it?

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No

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exacerbating it?

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Yes

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3. What, if anything, can/should we do about it?

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No idea, but we need to do something.

1. Climate change has always been

2. No and no

3. There is nothing man can do to change the laws of nature

Those who say man can change it are either uninformed or using it to gain wealth and power.

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The retarded sheep of the left

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And here we come to the crux of the problem.

Its become a political rather then scientific issue.

There is nothing anyone can say to convince someone who believes this. Its now a matter of faith rather then science.

People would rather believe there is an international conspiracy of hundreds of thousands of scientists then entertain the notion they are wrong.

Climate change is for the Right what Anti-GMO and Anti-Vaccination is for the left. You have dug in so deep you can't back away from your position.

Both groups would rather watch the world burn then admit they were wrong.

You are going with the beliefs of one scientist who has strongly gone on record saying she believes that humans are directly causing global warming. She just disagrees as to whether they are the primary cause.

Your other source is a gentlemen who spends his time arguing for Intelligent Design.

Your real champion, who both of those are using for their argument, is a Professor of Economics named Richard Tol. Yes. Economics.

Tol, by all accounts, really has a bug in his butt about "scientific consensus". He doesn't like it. He doesn't tolerate it. It offends him.

Despite not being, it should be noted, a trained scientist. Tol is an expert on economics of energy.

Tol has also said, for the record, that there is an overwhelming scientific consensus that humans cause global warming. So, he agrees that the vast majority of scientists agree that humans are causing global warming, but he disagrees that it is a 97% consensus.

His primary belief, which often gets left out of these debates, is that its more a matter of damage to the economy then science that motivates his views on the matter.

It should be noted, for the record, polls just for scientists in this particular field show that greater then 90% of them believe global warming is not only impacted by humans but that we are probably the leading cause.

I am sorry to say you are using skewed numbers. The vast, overwhelming, majority of scientists believe that we are not only contributing to global warming but we are the leading cause of it.

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using skewed numbers

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I did not skew any numbers, I simply gave the numbers from the audit. The skewing was done by the historian and the 3 others who produced "skewed" findings in their studies but did not report their skewing along with their findings.
Do I believe that humans have an impact on global warming - yes. It is impossible for them (us) not to have an impact. Small input to the greenhouse gasses by humans compound over the years. Small increases by that compounding result in nature producing even more greenhouse gasses. The greatest human impact on greenhouse gasses and their compounding effect is with CFC's and methane. Both of those stay in the atmosphere far longer than any of the other components. Human impact on CFC's is roughly 65% and that may be a low number. Human impact on methane is high but shallow earth quakes in oil/gas reservoir areas and volcanoes combined with ants/termites and plant/animal decomposition and even animal farts and digestion release significantly more than humans generate. The biggest exception to that is earth instability cause by fracking. That instability tends to focus earth quake activity in the areas that would produce larger releases of methane. So fracking is a combo impact from both human and nature - nature as the base and human in a compounding effect.

Even with all of that said, humans produce 13/10000 of greenhouse gasses compared with nature. Removing humans from the equation completely has so little impact on the whole it really does not matter.

Solar maximum / solar minimum cycles have the greatest impact on greenhouse gasses of any of the variables. Shall we ask the sun to stop damaging our magnetic protection fields? Shall we ask the sun's solar radiation to stop following the magnetic shield down to the poles and heating the earth's core?

The solar max/min cycles cause the increase in earth quakes and volcanic activity. If the sun would only cooperate with us, the earth would stop producing mass quantities of methane and other greenhouse gasses via volcanic eruptions and earth quake reservoir releases.

An just to be clear, I also believe in Intelligent Design. If I am wrong, no big deal. I still live my life to make the world a better place for those I love. If I am right, what will you say when you meet the Intelligent Designer? Opps, would not do you much good.

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Climate Change

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1) Yes

2) No

3) Nothing. Mother Nature stacked, mankind fricked.

So, I read stories that say that people are causing climate change. Cow farts are causing climate change from the methane content. However the same scientists claim that the months long eruption of Kilauea last year didn't have any impact on the environment. Not the CO2 levels or the methane release from lava.

Also there are too many conflicting reports on the ice levels of the north and south pole. Can't believe anything you read. Hell, some scientists have been caught "adjusting" their findings to make their case.

I'll just happily go on believing that man has little impact on the climate.