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re: Should There Be Concern About The OL?
Posted on 8/26/18 at 2:09 pm to wubilli
Posted on 8/26/18 at 2:09 pm to wubilli
11 personnel is the base formation in the NFL. That is what MU has based out of since 2015. It's what they will base out of this year. Adding counter/power to the zone run blocking and 12 personnel packages aren't changing what the offense is. This is all designed to create conflict at the second level and more space between the LBs and safeties for the Slot and TEs to operate.
It also takes better advantage of what Simms and Pendleton can do pulling to the edge. Brad Davis knows how to get his guys around the corner and I think Simms could play his way into a favorable draft grade.
I'm excited to see the product.
It also takes better advantage of what Simms and Pendleton can do pulling to the edge. Brad Davis knows how to get his guys around the corner and I think Simms could play his way into a favorable draft grade.
I'm excited to see the product.
This post was edited on 8/26/18 at 5:14 pm
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Posted on 8/26/18 at 11:24 pm to wubilli
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Pace was not the only reason the OL has been good the last 2 years.
I also dont believe that the offense is slowing down that much. More plays per drive doesn’t automatically mean that the offense will slow way down.
If Dooley and Davis are as good at their jobs as Huepel and Elarbe the OL will be good again this year.
I did not like Josh Heupel that much. Reason is too many 3 and out outings. That is where Dooley comes in to fix that. I am happy that Dooley is the OC and should help fix the problem with wide receivers dropped way too many footballs. Dooley was the wide receiver coach for the Dallas Cowboys. There will be other things that will change that I am going to be looking forward to see Missouri being a more balance on the offense side of the ball.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 10:35 am to navynuke
Nuke
Who was the LT in 2015? Was it someone who had played LT before?
What is the most important spot on the OL?
Does the fastest tempo in the country fatigue and dosorientate an opposing DL?
Who was the LT in 2015? Was it someone who had played LT before?
What is the most important spot on the OL?
Does the fastest tempo in the country fatigue and dosorientate an opposing DL?
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 10:37 am
Posted on 8/27/18 at 2:21 pm to OG Supreme
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Who was the LT in 2015? Was it someone who had played LT before?
McGovern was the ND Gatorade player of the year as a LT in HS. Yes, he had experience at LT.
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What is the most important spot on the OL?
McGovern allowed 3 sacks on 373 passing attempts in 2015. That is why he played LT. They make a bowl game that year, he is a 2nd or 3rd team All SEC lineman. He played well enough that a few teams after Denver looked at him at a ROT because of his feet and strength to help get the edge.
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Does the fastest tempo in the country fatigue and dosorientate an opposing DL?
Only if you win on early downs and are staying in front of the sticks to allow you to establish it. When you are strict zone blocking team it starts with your guard play. Lose in the A gaps and tempo means jack shite. MU averaged 2.88 yds on 1st down in 2015 in an offense built around inside zone. Your assumption about the LT's role in this is schematically incorrect.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:42 pm to navynuke
Mizzou won 5 games and did NOT accept a bowl in 2015 - you are incorrect.
The OL was awful and virtually nonexistent in 2015.
McGovern was a 5th year SR who had never played LT in his college career, he played LT in '15 because there was a serious talent problem and there wasn't a true LT on the roster.
You're on acid and crack at the same time if you're unwilling to admit that running the fastest offense in the country, in which the QB is routinely moving the ball very quickly, doesn't mask and faux-improve an OL.
You're on meth and the booze as well if you're unwilling to admit that running the fastest offense in the country doesn't disorientate and confuse opposing defenses.
Those are matter-of-fact things that are simply built into the collective understanding on this planet - even the SEC analyst on 101.1 this afternoon talked about the uber-fast pace of Heupel's offense masking limitations on the OL.
The OL was awful and virtually nonexistent in 2015.
McGovern was a 5th year SR who had never played LT in his college career, he played LT in '15 because there was a serious talent problem and there wasn't a true LT on the roster.
You're on acid and crack at the same time if you're unwilling to admit that running the fastest offense in the country, in which the QB is routinely moving the ball very quickly, doesn't mask and faux-improve an OL.
You're on meth and the booze as well if you're unwilling to admit that running the fastest offense in the country doesn't disorientate and confuse opposing defenses.
Those are matter-of-fact things that are simply built into the collective understanding on this planet - even the SEC analyst on 101.1 this afternoon talked about the uber-fast pace of Heupel's offense masking limitations on the OL.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:01 pm to OG Supreme
Also, Nukie
Your last paragraph/answer doesn't reflect that your accurately processed what you quoted.
Your answer was focused on LT, which is odd considering the question was if the fastest offense in the country disorientates an opposing DL.
The only reason LT has been mentioned in this thread was in reaction to someone talking about past teams.
We were in a terrible position with personnel and forced to move a 5th year SR to a new position on the line - removing him from his strongest position. It was a patch-work line and it showed.
Your last paragraph/answer doesn't reflect that your accurately processed what you quoted.
Your answer was focused on LT, which is odd considering the question was if the fastest offense in the country disorientates an opposing DL.
The only reason LT has been mentioned in this thread was in reaction to someone talking about past teams.
We were in a terrible position with personnel and forced to move a 5th year SR to a new position on the line - removing him from his strongest position. It was a patch-work line and it showed.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:19 pm to OG Supreme
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McGovern was a 5th year SR who had never played LT in his college career, he played LT in '15 because there was a serious talent problem and there wasn't a true LT on the roste
McGovern graded out no lower than an 82 in every game in the best line of scrimmage league in the nation. It would help if you understood what you were watching.
quote:Lock's average time to release last year was right at 3 seconds. Again, it would help if you understood what you were watching.
the QB is routinely moving the ball very quickly
quote:What deficiencies are you assuming an RPO offense is covering? This should be hilarious.
mask and faux-improve an OL.
quote:The purpose of the hurry up RPO offense is to keep the defense in a zone call. How "disorientate" and confused did Purdue, SC and Auburn look as they showed a 2 high look presnap and rolled to a 6 man box with press coverage outside?
running the fastest offense in the country doesn't disorientate and confuse opposing defenses
You should wander back over to the PD and argue with Salty. He is more your speed.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 8/27/18 at 11:25 pm to navynuke
So let's get this straight, babba-ganuke.
You're telling me a turbo-fast offense isn't going to disorientate and fatigue opposing defenses when they're running a bunch of plays in a quick period of time?
You're not arguing with me on the views I've expressed here, so don't get all upset that just-some-guy is going to win a football related debate with you - a guy who has a dresser full of dry-fit shirts with his sons football team on it. You're arguing against collectively agreed upon positions. You've also miss-processed what has been posted which resulted in virtually unrelated dialogue.
What I can tell ya for certain is I have never dropped excessive amounts of lingo and/or technical verbiage in an obvious attempt to validate myself when I talk with others about the sport I'm at Master level on. Why not? Because it is without any doubt something only a tool would do. That's just kind of a way-it-is deal.
Take it or leave it, ganuke.
You're telling me a turbo-fast offense isn't going to disorientate and fatigue opposing defenses when they're running a bunch of plays in a quick period of time?
You're not arguing with me on the views I've expressed here, so don't get all upset that just-some-guy is going to win a football related debate with you - a guy who has a dresser full of dry-fit shirts with his sons football team on it. You're arguing against collectively agreed upon positions. You've also miss-processed what has been posted which resulted in virtually unrelated dialogue.
What I can tell ya for certain is I have never dropped excessive amounts of lingo and/or technical verbiage in an obvious attempt to validate myself when I talk with others about the sport I'm at Master level on. Why not? Because it is without any doubt something only a tool would do. That's just kind of a way-it-is deal.
Take it or leave it, ganuke.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 11:41 pm to OG Supreme
You have zero game knowledge, a drawer full of skinny jeans and tailored Tap Out shirts
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 12:19 pm to navynuke
Right.
Actually Levi's 541 athletic and Buck Mason T's - oh no, I'm athletic and handsome with excellent taste. Tough break for you.
Also, your attempt at the wits was actually contradicting.
Anyone wearing Tap Out/Affliction is generally not going to be wearing skinny jeans. They will be wearing an outdated cut of jean with a heavy-dose of stitching on the back pockets.
C for effort though, ganuke.
Stick to toolish-football-verbiage and leave the witty stuff to people who have that skillset. I mean, you wouldn't volunteer to be WR or RB or QB, now would you? You knew your place was with the tub-club on the line. Same deal with the witty banter. It's not your game.
I'm glad we have on record you telling us that an uber-fast offense doesn't cause disorientation and fatigue of opposing defenses, and since that doesn't happen, of course there is no masking or fools-gold effect for the OL.
Smiling.
Actually Levi's 541 athletic and Buck Mason T's - oh no, I'm athletic and handsome with excellent taste. Tough break for you.
Also, your attempt at the wits was actually contradicting.
Anyone wearing Tap Out/Affliction is generally not going to be wearing skinny jeans. They will be wearing an outdated cut of jean with a heavy-dose of stitching on the back pockets.
C for effort though, ganuke.
Stick to toolish-football-verbiage and leave the witty stuff to people who have that skillset. I mean, you wouldn't volunteer to be WR or RB or QB, now would you? You knew your place was with the tub-club on the line. Same deal with the witty banter. It's not your game.
I'm glad we have on record you telling us that an uber-fast offense doesn't cause disorientation and fatigue of opposing defenses, and since that doesn't happen, of course there is no masking or fools-gold effect for the OL.
Smiling.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 12:34 pm to OG Supreme
Your point rests on a schematic by product that you believe "masks" the technique and timing of the line.
Lol.
You are hands down the dumbest fan on here and it's clear that if you ever stepped on the field it was at half time with the band.
Lol.
You are hands down the dumbest fan on here and it's clear that if you ever stepped on the field it was at half time with the band.
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 1:03 pm to navynuke
It's not what I believe.
It's what is collectively understood by everyone and what is blatantly evident when watching games.
An offense running plays extra fast doesn't allow a defense to set-up, it puts extra stress on the pass rushers, it disorientates and fatigues an entire defense. Hands on knees.
The SEC analyst that was on 101.1 yesterday made this exact point about our OL the last couple years being boosted by our offensive scheme.
He went on to say he believed Dooley had enough talent/depth this year on the OL to march downfield at a slower pace at times.
This is fairly sad for you since you really are a football guy.
It's what is collectively understood by everyone and what is blatantly evident when watching games.
An offense running plays extra fast doesn't allow a defense to set-up, it puts extra stress on the pass rushers, it disorientates and fatigues an entire defense. Hands on knees.
The SEC analyst that was on 101.1 yesterday made this exact point about our OL the last couple years being boosted by our offensive scheme.
He went on to say he believed Dooley had enough talent/depth this year on the OL to march downfield at a slower pace at times.
This is fairly sad for you since you really are a football guy.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 1:25 pm to OG Supreme
Since you are going to dick ride a radio station you are pissing about in another thread, link the show and segment was he on. I'd like to hear how tempo masks selling zone action while limiting the push to 3 yards and maintaining blitz integrity so the vertical routes featured in Huepel's offense can develop. What was his take on guard/center handoff adjustments in the A gap with over and under looks?
Probably didn't cover much of that, did he?
Probably didn't cover much of that, did he?
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 1:33 pm to navynuke
This Should Help
This is one of the nuttier encounters I've had online.
Like, in all reality, how are you even arguing this?
Not only is it extremely basic logic, it's widely accepted as the truth.
Very odd, indeed.
An offense running a lot of plays in a quick period of time, over and over again throughout a game, is going to wear down a defense - tiring them out faster than if they were methodical.
A lot of that deep stuff last year was made a little more possible because of the fatigue and disorientation happening to defenses.
This is rather sad, to be honest. You should know better.
This is one of the nuttier encounters I've had online.
Like, in all reality, how are you even arguing this?
Not only is it extremely basic logic, it's widely accepted as the truth.
Very odd, indeed.
An offense running a lot of plays in a quick period of time, over and over again throughout a game, is going to wear down a defense - tiring them out faster than if they were methodical.
A lot of that deep stuff last year was made a little more possible because of the fatigue and disorientation happening to defenses.
This is rather sad, to be honest. You should know better.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 1:38 pm to OG Supreme
21 minute spot starts the CFB talk, 28 minute spot hits the topic
That's right, ganuke.
Take it like you like it.
That's right, ganuke.
Take it like you like it.
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 1:39 pm to OG Supreme
Oh, no. Even Wikipedia says you're wrong, ganuke
"The hurry-up offense is an American football offensive style, which has two different but related forms in which the offensive team avoids delays between plays. The hurry-up, no-huddle offense (HUNH) refers to avoiding or shortening the huddle to limit or disrupt defensive strategies and flexibility" - wiki
That's it, ganuke.
Take it all.
"The hurry-up offense is an American football offensive style, which has two different but related forms in which the offensive team avoids delays between plays. The hurry-up, no-huddle offense (HUNH) refers to avoiding or shortening the huddle to limit or disrupt defensive strategies and flexibility" - wiki
That's it, ganuke.
Take it all.
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 1:53 pm to OG Supreme
Lol. The Sports Stack Exchange? Wikipedia?
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:08 pm to navynuke
And an SEC analyst that you skipped in mentioning.
Wiki is a general consensus website. Are you arguing against what has been collectively agreed upon?
The other one is an open-forum for sports related questions and answers. It appears multiple football players answered the question in my favor.
Take this one on the chin, ganuke.
Wiki is a general consensus website. Are you arguing against what has been collectively agreed upon?
The other one is an open-forum for sports related questions and answers. It appears multiple football players answered the question in my favor.
Take this one on the chin, ganuke.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:28 pm to OG Supreme
That is lazy analysis.
"Drew Lock was holding onto the ball for 1.5 seconds." A throw at the bubble or slant? Sure. Every play. No. His average time to release is twice that.
"They ran 100 plays a game the last year because the line couldn't hold up." These are the exact same starters since homecoming last year. In the last 11 months they have magically become competent enough to run power and counter and build play action/RPO off it and win 9 games in this league?
The personnel issue when Odom took over was having multiple AP backs. No one is going to run between the B Gaps when you have one back on the team that can do it and the second RB weighs 195 lbs.
LR3 and Crockett allow for that change.
Lol. Carry on.
"Drew Lock was holding onto the ball for 1.5 seconds." A throw at the bubble or slant? Sure. Every play. No. His average time to release is twice that.
"They ran 100 plays a game the last year because the line couldn't hold up." These are the exact same starters since homecoming last year. In the last 11 months they have magically become competent enough to run power and counter and build play action/RPO off it and win 9 games in this league?
The personnel issue when Odom took over was having multiple AP backs. No one is going to run between the B Gaps when you have one back on the team that can do it and the second RB weighs 195 lbs.
LR3 and Crockett allow for that change.
Lol. Carry on.
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:47 pm to navynuke
It's sad that you're still trying to argue against something that aligns with common-sense-logic and what the collective has agreed upon.
You lost, move on like the manly-football-man you project yourself to be.
Running 90 plays in an extremely fast manner has more of a fatiguing impact on opposing defenses than it does on the offense running the plays and it disorientates defenses. This is just a fact. Whether or not Drew Lock released the ball on average at 1.5 or 3 seconds is relatively unimportant to this. The offense was a speed-monster. It disorientated defenses. As Drew himself said, it was a gimmick. It falsely boosted an OL (that is probably adequate) into an elite unit, which it certainly would not have been under a more traditional offensive scheme.
You lost, move on like the manly-football-man you project yourself to be.
Running 90 plays in an extremely fast manner has more of a fatiguing impact on opposing defenses than it does on the offense running the plays and it disorientates defenses. This is just a fact. Whether or not Drew Lock released the ball on average at 1.5 or 3 seconds is relatively unimportant to this. The offense was a speed-monster. It disorientated defenses. As Drew himself said, it was a gimmick. It falsely boosted an OL (that is probably adequate) into an elite unit, which it certainly would not have been under a more traditional offensive scheme.
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