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Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:44 pm to
Posted by mograyback
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Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:44 pm to
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If I had my way, I would only work for events and not-for-profit causes, or people/businesses that are just getting started. Cause marketing is a particular love of mine.



I hear you.. it's not a crime to market something. The example Bill gave was the extreme. I just thought I'd share that... Bill is one of my favorites.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:53 pm to
I ask because Maynard and the entire Tool band love Bill Hicks and his comedic legacy. They even insert segments of his routines into their music.

In fact, their incredible 1996 album Aenema was dedicated to Bill Hicks following his death. If you listen to the album (did I say it was incredible?) you'll hear Bill Hicks routines in the background...at first it sounds like white noise, but a few more listens reveals the world behind the music.

Tool actually invited Bill Hicks to open for their early 1990s shows. Maynard and the rest of the band felt a deep mental and comedic connection to Hicks, and if you listen to their music, their lyrics are vey Hick-ish.

I'm surprised you aren't a Tool fan. How about you buy Aenema, listen to it, and then come back on here and let me know if your opinion has changed.

Brilliant band.
This post was edited on 11/13/12 at 9:55 pm
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:04 pm to
I really didn't know this.. and I have been a big Hicks fan. Thats it, I must listen to this band. Way too many people have told me to listen to them. And I was really connected to his thinking when I watched that movie.

I think I was always afraid of Tool, it was so dark. Which is surprising because my views are pretty dark. I've always gone for more melancholy stuff and space-twang. (My Morning Jacket is my favorite band).

I'm going to listen to Aenema (going to download it though). I might even give it a listen here in a couple hours.

Thanks.

Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:24 pm to
What's surprising is that Tool isn't dark at all. They make incredibly complex music, much more progressive than metal. If anything, I'd most compare them to Pink Floyd....they're the Pink Floyd of my generation.

Maynards lyric are incredibly cynical and thought provoking. There's a reason why people who wear Tool shirts or have a Tool sticker on their car window seem to not "fit the bill" of a typical metal fan. Tool is metal for the intellectuals. People who've never listened to Tool music seem to have preconceived notions that Tool is a dark heavy metal band.

That's notion is light years from the truth.

On the album Aenema, pay close attention to the song Arinzona Bay. That song is directly inspired by Hick's Arizona Bay routine where he contemplates Los Angeles falling into the Pacific Ocean.

I have a very strong feeling you're going to become a Tool devotee...cult member...very soon.

UR Hating and I will be extremely pleased to welcome you into the club. You're about to have one of the most eye opening, incredible music revelations in your lifetime! I'm excited for you.

And I'll let you know right now...Tool is releasing a new album in a few months. It'll go platinum the first week like all their previous albums dating back to 1991.
This post was edited on 11/13/12 at 10:38 pm
Posted by mograyback
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Posted on 11/14/12 at 5:49 pm to
Kills, I can see why you were excited for me.

I liked it a lot, I only wish I was into this awhile ago. When I was still playing I would have listened to this a lot.

I almost can't believe this came out in '96, it seems ahead of its time (even still). The last three songs Aenema, Ions, and Third Eye might be the best finale to an album I've heard in a long long time. The first 3 songs had me hooked right away, the stuff in the middle was good but the most challenging of it all. And I'm weak for any album that puts in an intermission, I like that a lot.

What I liked too, is I went from this unfamiliar, kind of weird and challenging place to the most comforting and familiar sound in my itunes. Right when Third Eye ended the introduction to an album I've heard 100s of times started. Its an old man introducing Townes and telling the audience the cigarette and pinball machines are upstairs.. it just put me in this safe place, like when you finish something dangerous and you know you've made it.

Thanks for the recommendation.
Posted by SoCalMIZ
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Posted on 11/14/12 at 5:53 pm to
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Aenema


One of my favorite albums to put on headphones and zone out on. Sonically addictive.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 11/14/12 at 7:28 pm to
The awesome thing with Tool music is that the more you listen the their music, the more amazing stuff you discover within it. Sometimes it's the message....sometimes it's an incredible off beat drum solo, sometimes you will listen to a song you thought you hated and it becomes your favorite.

There's magic in Tool's music. It's far more complex and thought provoking than 99 percent of all other music.

Now, I challenge you to start listening to their other albums. On their most recent album, 2006's 10,000 Days, the song Rosetta Stoned is another homage to a Bill Hicks' routine where he talks about alien abduction and LSD.

I just don't see how anyone can be a hardcore Bill Hicks fan and not a Tool fan. It's nearly unthinkable!

Glad you enjoyed the music. Keep listening. The music only gets better with each listen....right SoCal?
This post was edited on 11/14/12 at 7:30 pm
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 11/14/12 at 7:39 pm to
Let me correct myself...I incorrectly said that the title of the song about bill hicks' Arizona Bay routine was "Arizona Bay". Actually, as you're now aware, that song is called "Aenema".

However, it is directly inspired by the Arizona Bay comedy routine.

Posted by SoCalMIZ
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 11/14/12 at 7:41 pm to
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The music only gets better with each listen....right SoCal?


Yep.

Plus, the stereographic album insert for 10,000 Days is seriously epic. That alone kept me busy for days.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 11/14/12 at 7:48 pm to
Tool produces nothing but extremely high quality everything - music, art, wine documentary....whatever they lay their hands on turns to gold.
Posted by SoCalMIZ
Jumbotown, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 11/14/12 at 7:58 pm to
Aenema reminds me of a time when I was velcro'd to the idea of a person shedding one part of life and moving towards ones destiny. Whatever it is.

You know, that point where you can't stand the skin you're in, and you know change is on the horizon and there's nothing you can do but sit back and see where things take you.

I was also into a constant stream of Art Bell during the over night hours. This may have aided my stream of consciousness at that time.

Whatever it was, that album was the soundtrack to it.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 11/14/12 at 8:54 pm to
I still listen to art bell whenever i have an opportunity. I love art bell! Best radio show on the planet. The call-in weirdos are priceless.

Check out this site! It streams 24/7 art bell shows...free of charge.

Essential Art Bell

My first art bell experience was 11 years ago when I was moving back to Missouri from San Diego. I was driving alone across New Mexico on I-40 in the middle of the night. I had grown tired of my CD collection at this point in the journey and FM radio was very sporadic on this particularly secluded empty stretch of highway nothingness.

I flipped on AM (which I never did) and did a channel search. All of the sudden I heard X-Files type music and a man talking about government alien conspiracies.

As I drove on the highway in the middle of the night across the high desert of New Mexico, I came to realize that this show was incredible! The callers were complete whack jobs! This was the most entertaining and brilliant radio porn I'd ever heard! I was hooked.

And then, no joke, a bright green shooting star (fireball) streaked across the extremely vast New Mexico night sky. It was so eerie that I pulled over on the side of the interstate and sat on my car hood just staring at the stars for about 30 minutes while Art Bell talked about aliens on the radio.

Incredible experience. I'll never forget it.
This post was edited on 11/14/12 at 9:01 pm
Posted by URHatinIt
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:05 pm to
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sometimes you will listen to a song you thought you hated and it becomes your favorite.


This. about every 6 months I'll stumble upon a song and listen to it for weeks.
quote:

Rosetta Stoned


Probably my favorite
Posted by SoCalMIZ
Jumbotown, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2012
2875 posts
Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:20 pm to
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Incredible experience. I'll never forget it.


I was 14 for my first time. I was digging around on the radio one night and heard this guy talking about black helicopters and stuff, I was hooked.

Later that year I remember seeing black helicopters fly over us at baseball practice. Looking back, they were just run of the mill military, but at the time, I was convinced it was all true.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:33 pm to
Rosetta Stoned, in my opinion, is the culmination of their work up to this point in their career. It is their best song by light years.

When I first bought 10,000 Days, I did what I normally do with a new Tool album...listened to the entire thing straight thru and then start focusing on the very best songs on repeat for months. I won't even listen to any other music. Just Tool...nonstop.

Well, naturally I gravitated towards Vicarious and Jambi. I listened to those two songs for weeks. Then my ear fell upon Right in Two, on repeat for weeks.

Then i started to delve deeper into the album and I found myself wondering if the album was a great disappointment other than the three songs I mentioned above. I started to think that it was possibly the weakest album they had made with far too much "filler" noise.

I stopped listening to the album in a much needed break to regroup my musical mind.

Then, months later I popped 10,000 Days back into the CD player and gave it a run thru. When I listened to Rosetta Stoned again, I came away with a completely different experience than my opinion of the song from months before. I originally thought RS was strange noise with barely audible lyrics.

I've been listening to Rosetta Stoned almost every day since 2007 - 2008, sometimes on repeat. It is their very best work. It's like 4 completely different songs smashed into one incredible 12 minute experience. It's hard to explain.

Shorty after rediscovering Rosetta Stoned, I rediscovered The Pot...which I originally thought was the shittiest song on the album.

The point is that Tool albums morph and change with time. One day I thought that 10,000 Days was their weakest effort. Not long after i am convinced its their greatest work....and most of that opinion is based off of one epic song.

They're magical.
This post was edited on 11/14/12 at 9:51 pm
Posted by URHatinIt
Member since Dec 2011
4684 posts
Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:42 pm to
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I rediscovered The Pot...which I originally thought was the shittiest song on the album.



Same thing with me
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:43 pm to
SoCal,

Did you check out that Essential Art Bell website? I'm listening right now...The site is steaming a show from February 2000. He's about ready to open the lines. The weirdos will be calling in a few minutes (This is all recorded from 10 years ago, but what the hell).

Intermission. He's playing Chris Isaacs Wicked Games. Ahhh, classic Art Bell.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:46 pm to
UR....

You get it. Mogray is being turned on to Tool for the first time ever. I'm actually excited for him! He'll soon change his opinion of Tool as simply another run of the mill dark metal band to greatest music he's ever heard.

That's exciting stuff right there! Another member of the cult...
Posted by SoCalMIZ
Jumbotown, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2012
2875 posts
Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:49 pm to
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Did you check out that Essential Art Bell website?


Yes. Bookmarked. Can't wait to show the wife. I got her hooked when we started dating. She was like "really, we're going to listen to talk radio?" Within a week, hooked.

The bumper music in and out of commercials was one of the best parts of his show. I say was because I don't listen much anymore. Noory bores me, and he's started really pandering to the lunatic fringe i.e. the Alex Jones set.

I miss the days of Mel's Hole and people calling in to talk about shape shifting reptilians.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 11/14/12 at 9:55 pm to
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people calling in to talk about shape shifting reptilians


Well, that's why you bookmark the site, pull it up on your phone, and plug your phone into your car auxiliary to play on the radio. Poof...Art Bell...24/7.

frick, you could even listen to Art Bell while camping under the stars. How awesome would that be?
This post was edited on 11/14/12 at 10:01 pm
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