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re: 2010 rape covered up by Mizzou or nothing to it?

Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:59 pm to
Posted by semotruman
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:59 pm to
Refresh me - who was Anderson? The academic advisor? Was that person an athletic dept advisor, or on the academic side?

If Anderson was told, and had no confidentiality, they should have reported it. But wasn't she out of school at that point? It all seems hazy.
Posted by reedus23
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:40 pm to
Yeah, the athletic department academic adviser that she called from the Boston hospital.
Posted by reedus23
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 9:16 pm to
Apparently she's now at Tennessee.

Tribune Article - Parents Just Want Change

quote:

Moller, in an email to the Tribune, said the Missouri athletic department requires a coach or administrator who becomes aware of a sexual-assault allegation to report it to his or her supervisor, who then is required to report it to the MU police department.
Posted by UMTigerRebel
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:45 pm to
I think this a sad situation all around, but I can't see how the university could've handled the situation any better than it did.

Like semo said earlier, I think a course in "etiquette" ( and I put that in quotations because obviously some need to be educated in sexual etiquette, and not just table manners). I think all universities should have a course, or a segment of whatever said class designated to social media.

Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 7:14 am to
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Haven't read whole thing yet


Waiting until you read everything and watching the OTL episode should have been a requirement PRIOR to posting.

ESPN did a complete hatchet job on both Mizzou and Sasha; now she looks like a complete psycho. The entire story was based on what others (besides Mizzou) knew or thought they knew or appeared to know. She could have reported the alleged crime but didn't. Her "friend" could have turned the tape over to police but didn't. IF 3 guys raped her, because of her "friends", they're going to get away with it.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 7:52 am to
Oh, I've read the whole thing but I refuse to watch the show because the article is a hatchet job. Don't believe I ever said it wasn't. The only fault I find with the University is if Anderson was told about the rape and did nothing. Fortunately or unfortunately, Anderson is no longer at Mizzou so what can be done about that at this point.

I know others don't agree, but I have little doubt she was raped. My issue is NOT with how the University handled THIS situation. My issue is with what the University is permitting to exist on campus that creates a culture where some athletes apparently believe it is acceptable to attack young women. Again, Sasha's case, Dixon's caseS, Washington's case and the tutoring program's issues are all too many incidents involving athletes in too short a period of time. I think the University has to open an investigation into why this is permitted to occur and what can be done to fix it...NOT an investigation into whether or not the University handled THIS incident properly.
Posted by Wtodd
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 8:38 am to
You really should watch the OTL episode because IMO the swimming coach doesn't come off as a genius but ESPN comes off (IF you watch it objectively) as a douchbag. Personally I think it was an epic fail on ESPN's part.

IMO Mizzou isn't cultivating or allowing a culture to allow sexual assaults to occur....pieces of shite men are. IF a male is going to sexually assault a woman, NO ONE or NOTHING will prevent them from doing so. From what I understand the university has already changed it's tutoring program because of the Washington case. Also from what I understand EVERYBODY on campus thought or KNEW Dixon was creepy so the information was there (NO I'm not saying that this permits him to be a douchebag and the girls don't have a right to say NO!).

FYI - Mizzou has sent all stuff they have to the Columbia police for them to investigate because it happened off campus.
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Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:46 am to
Really don't want to give ESPN any more views for their show. It's a bullshite article and a bullshite non-issue as the University, short of possibly Anderson, did nothing wrong.

We will just agree to disagree about whether or not too many athletes have been assaulting women in recent years. I completely get your point that there is no stopping a criminal from committing a crime they are hell bent on committing, but there has to be a better way of "vetting" players that come in or educating them or making them more accountable or something. For example, if EVERYONE knew that about Dixon, get rid of his arse or never let him in in the first place.

Also, glad to hear the University turned everything over. Figured they would. They have handled this incident the only way they could. At this point, they've done more than her parents have. As far as I know, they have yet to contact law enforcement and ask for an investigation.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:02 pm to
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For example, if EVERYONE knew that about Dixon, get rid of his arse or never let him in in the first place.


I wish the 1st female that he alleged to have sexually assaulted would have filed charges againist him.

I'm not disagreeing with you that there are plenty of women getting sexually assualted on campuses; my disagreement is whether Mizzou is condoning, cultivating or somehow "overlooking" it which I don't think they are. The females on campus should start carrying a knife and start castrating guys that get out of line then things would change.
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 1:02 pm to
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The females on campus should start carrying a knife and start castrating guys that get out of line then things would change.

That's one way to handle it!

One thing I've noticed here is that all these cases (Washington, Dixon case #1, Menu Courey) all happened in the 2010, correct? I believe there were some changes made in the AD after the Washington case, weren't there? Didn't they overhaul the tutor program? There was a Missourian article this weekend that pointed out that only about 9% or rapes get reported. I'll look that up and link it.

I certainly hope they've addressed the culture issue since 2009-2010.
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 1:18 pm to
Here's the text from the Missourian article.
quote:

Dear Reader, Before we get to questions of who knew what and when they knew it, before we debate what various laws compel MU staff and faculty to say and do or not say and not do, before we can begin to digest the veracity of claims and counterclaims from ESPN’s "Outside the Lines" report, there is this: the stomach-roiling description of rape by a young woman who would be dead 16 months later.

"Outside the Lines" reporters Tom Farrey and Nicole Noren obtained an online chat between a rape crisis counselor and Sasha Menu Courey, who was an MU student on the Missouri swim team. It left my neck and shoulders, where anger finds muscle and nerves, aching. Menu Courey wrote (grammar and spelling are hers): “I started to panick & as I still on the phone trying to reach one of them tears start going down & the guy just lift up my dress & next thing I knew he inserts from behind. By that point tears were falling more but a wasn’t loud & didnt anything. and then just snapped and kind pushed him away & yelled no! and then he just left.”

It’s difficult to get past those words. It’s hard to understand such senseless violence. The article goes on to describe Menu Courey’s troubled life and her illnesses, both physical and mental, between February 2010 and her self-inflicted death in June 2011. The rape was not reported to police, then or now. The MU Office of Student Conduct was informed after the online chat transcript was discovered in the course of fulfilling Sunshine Law requests.

A previous Missourian article suggests Menu Courey’s decision not to file a complaint to police or to Student Conduct is the norm. In 2012, the Relationship and Sexual Violence Center on campus received 92 reports of sexual assault; MU Police received 14 and the Office of Student Conduct received two. Victims don’t report for many reasons: fear of reprisal from the assailant or harassment from the public, humiliation, worry that police and prosecutors won’t believe them. Only 9 percent of rape cases are prosecuted, according to the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network.

Menu Courey also was battling injury and illness. She had hurt her back and couldn’t swim with the team. According to the "Outside the Lines" report, she also had suffered from a depressive disorder that later in 2010 was diagnosed as borderline personality disorder. Which leads us to MU’s role in responding to this student-athlete. Were MU officials legally culpable? The "Outside the Lines" report says the answer is yes; the athletics department’s Chad Moller says no.

Much will be said in the coming days and weeks about the alleged assailants (MU football players), the athletics department and mental illness among students. It’s presumptive and silly to ask why Menu Courey took her life. We’ll never know. It’s OK, though, to stay angry at the fact that too many students on campuses across the country are being assaulted and that too few young men understand or care.


So, the campus center for sexual violence received 92 reports in 2012, but MUPD only 14. I'd be curious to know how that compares to other major campuses. And how many of those involved athletes.
This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 1:22 pm
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

Didn't they overhaul the tutor program?


Yes they did overhaul it.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 1:28 pm to
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I'm not disagreeing with you that there are plenty of women getting sexually assualted on campuses; my disagreement is whether Mizzou is condoning, cultivating or somehow "overlooking" it which I don't think they are. The females on campus should start carrying a knife and start castrating guys that get out of line then things would change.


I'm not saying they are or they're not. But there have been enough incidents in recent years that I think they need to be looking to see if there is anything more or different that can be done.
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23188 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 2:35 pm to
Is Bryan Burwell always an alarmist idiot? He wants the Attorney General or federal government to investigate this! I think that might be a bit of overkill...
Posted by Ridgewalker
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 7:54 pm to
Burwell is a rabble rousing racist that can't be confused with a real journalist.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:40 pm to
Burwell is absolutely the worst. Hell, when he was on radio I hated him more than Slayton. At least with Slayton, you always got the sense he was just trying to be contrarian. I think Burwell actually believes the crap he spews. He writes about one good article every decade.
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:00 pm to
Its front page on CNN.com

And by front page I mean the main headline.

This isn't going to go away.
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23188 posts
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:32 pm to
Thanks for exploiting this poor girl, ESPiN. And I still don't think the timing of this is a coincidence.

Curious - does anyone know if her parents have filed suit against anyone yet? Missouri has a 5-year statute, don't know about Massachusetts. I'm just getting very curious about the angle on this whole thing.
This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 11:34 pm
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 1/28/14 at 7:52 am to
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Curious - does anyone know if her parents have filed suit against anyone yet? Missouri has a 5-year statute, don't know about Massachusetts. I'm just getting very curious about the angle on this whole thing.


If they were to claim her death was the result of the University's negligence, the statute of limitations for wrongful death in Missouri is 3 years. General personal injury is 5 years though. I'd be shocked if they sued the University though. Hell, they never even reported it to law enforcement. All I have read says only the University has done that.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 1/28/14 at 7:55 am to
quote:

This isn't going to go away.


No. It's not. I still contend there is a story there, but it's not how Mizzou handled Sasha's case. The only thing I find troubling with Sasha's case is Anderson being told and nothing being done from there.
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