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Posted on 9/19/13 at 2:50 pm to Allyn McKeen
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shite. Dak is a career 56% passer. TR is a career 57.6% passer. Dak can run. TR can't. Dak will get better.
And TR has not gotten better over the years.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 2:53 pm to engie
He was rounding passing percentages in another thread towards Russell's favor.
I wish he were better at posting porn than math..
I wish he were better at posting porn than math..
Posted on 9/19/13 at 3:04 pm to engie
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es -- I am using 3 dropped passes as the "excuse" to explain his completion percentage in ONE GAME -- You know -- the one game that is the basis of your entire dumb arse argument.
At least you had the balls to stand up and admit it.
TR had dropped passes in the ONE game he was in too. Does he get to count those. Because if so, he would have completed 75%.
So now once again. Are you arguing that they can't catch for Dak but can for TR? Are they running great routes with TR but not for Dak?
Posted on 9/19/13 at 3:07 pm to 17theBears
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I'm still waiting on you to show me where Auburn's defense is ranked 92nd?
That is actually true, but it is a bit misleading after only 3 games. It is all about who you have played so far. Bama's D is 86th. AU's scoring D is #32. Their running D is #66. Their pass efficiency D is #32. Teams that have played FCS teams and slower tempo teams are going to be ahead of Auburn in total yards.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 3:07 pm to darkhorse
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TR had dropped passes in the ONE game he was in too. Does he get to count those. Because if so, he would have completed 75%.
So now once again. Are you arguing that they can't catch for Dak but can for TR? Are they running great routes with TR but not for Dak?
All I am arguing is that DAK is better in OUR offense than Tyler Russell is PERIOD -- and I'm arguing that you are literally lying in your "statistical analysis" trying to prove otherwise.
This post was edited on 9/19/13 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 9/19/13 at 3:08 pm to Allyn McKeen
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. Dak is a career 56% passer. TR is a career 57.6% passer.
That does not matter. What matter's is where each are currently. How does 2010 effect Where TR is today? How does 2011 effect where Dak is today?
Posted on 9/19/13 at 3:10 pm to darkhorse
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That does not matter. What matter's is where each are currently. How does 2010 effect Where TR is today? How does 2011 effect where Dak is today?
"Where both are today"?
You've literally argued against using that metric this entire time since Tyler has thrown picks in EVERY game he's played in recently... and thrown pick 6's in the last two...
Has Dak thrown a pick 6 in his career yet? I'll be waiting...
Posted on 9/19/13 at 3:31 pm to darkhorse
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That does not matter.
So what you are saying is that TR's 3 pts in 3 quarters is more relevant than how well he could move the ball in the past?
Posted on 9/19/13 at 3:45 pm to engie
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All I am arguing is that DAK is better in OUR offense than Tyler Russell is PERIOD
And I am saying he's not at his current level! He makes us 1 dimensional as proven by him. He's only better in our system if he can make accurate throws.
And No, I'm not lying about anything. Dak is currently throwing at a 47% completion ratio vs actual teams this season. 47%.
You are wanting MSU to bench a QB that stayed in the top of the SEC last season. This season, using your formula completed 75% in his one showing before the concussion.
Driskel.. 63.4% in conference play
Murray.. 64.6%
Mett... 54.9%
Russell.. 60.8%
Against AP ranked teams.
Murray... 48.8%
Shaw... 57.8%
Mett.. 54.5%
Russell 57.1%
It does not help MSU at all to bench him. All it does is hurt any chance at him going pro. All it does is makes us 1 dimensional. You need to watch and look at the weakness of the teams we are about to play. The run game isn't really where they suffer. Yet you want to put a running QB in.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 3:49 pm to darkhorse
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All it does is makes us 1 dimensional.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 3:50 pm to darkhorse
Dak has put up 20 or more in both starts
Russell:
put up 3 vs Ok State
put 20 on NW with 4 interceptions including a pick-6 and another pick returned to our 4 yd line
put up 10 points vs OM (we ran a kickoff back and Dakota threw the last TD)
put up 45 on UPig
put up 10 on LSU- Dakota threw the 1st TD
put up 13 on A&M
put 0 on Bama (Dakota threw the TD)
put 34 on Tenn (Dakota threw a TD also)
put 27 on Kentucky (0-8 Kentucky)
put 28 on Auburn (0-8 Auburn)
put 17 on UPig in 2011
put 10 in SC in 2011
Those are his BCS games- I'll be waiting on your response to this- should be high comedy
Russell:
put up 3 vs Ok State
put 20 on NW with 4 interceptions including a pick-6 and another pick returned to our 4 yd line
put up 10 points vs OM (we ran a kickoff back and Dakota threw the last TD)
put up 45 on UPig
put up 10 on LSU- Dakota threw the 1st TD
put up 13 on A&M
put 0 on Bama (Dakota threw the TD)
put 34 on Tenn (Dakota threw a TD also)
put 27 on Kentucky (0-8 Kentucky)
put 28 on Auburn (0-8 Auburn)
put 17 on UPig in 2011
put 10 in SC in 2011
Those are his BCS games- I'll be waiting on your response to this- should be high comedy
This post was edited on 9/19/13 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 9/19/13 at 3:50 pm to darkhorse
Dak has started one game against a real team this year, which is what matters to dumbhorse. In that game he had over 200 yards passing and over 100 rushing. TR has played one game against a real team. The offense couldn't score a single touchdown because there was no threat for TR to run. And Dak is the qb that makes us one dimensional? I am done responding to the dumb phuck.
This post was edited on 9/19/13 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 9/19/13 at 4:07 pm to Tds & Beer
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I am done responding to the dumb phuck.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 4:08 pm to engie
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You've literally argued against using that metric this entire time since Tyler has thrown picks in EVERY game he's played in recently... and thrown pick 6's in the last two...
What? Argued against what? TR did not throw a pick 6 in his last game engie. He and Dak both threw an INT, neither were pick 6s.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 4:30 pm to darkhorse
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Posted on 9/19/13 at 4:39 pm to darkhorse
Dak has put up 20 or more in both starts
Russell:
put up 3 vs Ok State
put 20 on NW with 4 interceptions including a pick-6 and another pick returned to our 4 yd line
put up 10 points vs OM (we ran a kickoff back and Dakota threw the last TD)
put up 45 on UPig
put up 10 on LSU- Dakota threw the 1st TD
put up 13 on A&M
put 0 on Bama (Dakota threw the TD)
put 34 on Tenn (Dakota threw a TD also)
put 27 on Kentucky (0-8 Kentucky)
put 28 on Auburn (0-8 Auburn)
put 17 on UPig in 2011
put 10 in SC in 2011
Those are his BCS games
Still waiting on a response to this one. Tyler has never scored more than 20 points vs a BCS team with a winning record- and only has scored 20 1 time
Russell:
put up 3 vs Ok State
put 20 on NW with 4 interceptions including a pick-6 and another pick returned to our 4 yd line
put up 10 points vs OM (we ran a kickoff back and Dakota threw the last TD)
put up 45 on UPig
put up 10 on LSU- Dakota threw the 1st TD
put up 13 on A&M
put 0 on Bama (Dakota threw the TD)
put 34 on Tenn (Dakota threw a TD also)
put 27 on Kentucky (0-8 Kentucky)
put 28 on Auburn (0-8 Auburn)
put 17 on UPig in 2011
put 10 in SC in 2011
Those are his BCS games
Still waiting on a response to this one. Tyler has never scored more than 20 points vs a BCS team with a winning record- and only has scored 20 1 time
This post was edited on 9/19/13 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 9/19/13 at 4:45 pm to CoonassBulldog
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CoonassBulldog
Let's not count Alcorn st. I'm not counting chump teams either on TR.
Dak is not ready yet. End of story. 47% completion against actual teams. Against those 2 teams, YEP Dak threw a pick. Against both of those teams, they dared him to throw and moved to stop the run.
DAK... 47% against SEC and ranked teams this season
Dak... In those 2 real games, not only did he complete 47%, he threw an INT.
Dak... Made horrible reads as show by the gif in the other thread against OSU. 2 weeks latter, he's still making bad reads. Shown by the fact that our rbs got the ball so little they had a combined 39 yards.
Dak... made such horrible reads, that he gave it to the backs in horrible situatons resulting in a combined 39 yards.
1... ONE dimensional.
On your TR rant....
TR is not responsible for the lack of calls to his number vs OSU. After the first series (in which he was 84%) we ran the ball 12 times out of the next 15 plays. That's not TR, that's your coach!
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put 20 on NW with 4 interceptions including a pick-6 and another pick returned to our 4 yd line
Should have been pulled from the game.
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starting with the bama game
TR was not the issue. The issue was the lack of a run game and play calling that caused it to suffer more.
UM.. 30 yards.
TAMU.. 98
LSU.. 47
Bama.. 47
So again, put the blame where it belongs. When your QB throws 68.4% in a game with a TD, and your team can only rush for 47 yards... the issue isn't your QB. The issue is you can't run. When you can't run, and the DL is stopping you alone, it makes it harder to pass. Yet TR was still able to complete 60% in those 4 games.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 4:51 pm to Tds & Beer
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Dak has started one game against a real team this year, which is what matters to dumbhorse. In that game he had over 200 yards passing and over 100 rushing. TR has played one game against a real team. The offense couldn't score a single touchdown because there was no threat for TR to run. And Dak is the qb that makes us one dimensional? I am done responding to the dumb phuck.
Had ZERO to do with TR not being a threat to run. It had everything to do with the plays called on the run game. It had everything to do with taking the ball out of the hands of TR. It had everything to do with the lack of imagination in the run game that hides a still VERY weak run blocking OL.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 5:08 pm to darkhorse
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ad ZERO to do with TR not being a threat to run. It had everything to do with the plays called on the run game. It had everything to do with taking the ball out of the hands of TR. It had everything to do with the lack of imagination in the run game that hides a still VERY weak run blocking OL.
You don't understand how this works.
Could Tyler be successful in the correct offense(Troy's)? Yes.
Can he be successful in our offense? No.
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