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re: 2014 GrindRant Baseball Thread | MSU (39-22) | Next 4/1 vs. ULL
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:03 am to DynastyDawg
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:03 am to DynastyDawg
This team is very loose butthole. GET YO shite TOGETHER. Stupid jabronis.
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 10:11 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
Cohen mixing it up today.
Mitchell starting game 1
Mitchell starting game 1
Posted on 3/15/14 at 10:40 am to Requiem For A Dawg
Still no protection for Rea in the lineup. Britton at 3B over Humphreys.
And Nick Flair is playing 3B/OF in a Florida JUCO @ 2nd in NJCAA in RPI and 6th in HR through almost 30 games, while hitting .450...
And Nick Flair is playing 3B/OF in a Florida JUCO @ 2nd in NJCAA in RPI and 6th in HR through almost 30 games, while hitting .450...
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:45 am to engie
3 run inning. We need these two today boys.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 12:29 pm to DynastyDawg
Our bunting habits are driving me insane. F'n hate giving up those outs.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 12:38 pm to engie
If we execute it's worth it 99.99999999999% of the time.
Not executing a simple bunt because of fundamentals on how to bunt, i.e. dropping the bat-head, poking at it instead of catching the ball, now that's what drives me insane.
Not executing a simple bunt because of fundamentals on how to bunt, i.e. dropping the bat-head, poking at it instead of catching the ball, now that's what drives me insane.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 12:54 pm to DynastyDawg
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If we execute it's worth it 99.99999999999% of the time.
This is across college baseball with the BBCOR bats. Easy to interpolate how bunting is basically never worth it early in games. It's giving up outs for no real gain. This is one of the foundations of moneyball really.
This post was edited on 3/15/14 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 3/15/14 at 1:21 pm to engie
Agree to disagree.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 1:26 pm to DynastyDawg
You disagree with something that's statistically proven across college baseball?
ETA: I'm not saying there isn't a time and place for bunting. There is. That time is not with runners on first and 2nd up 3-0 in the 3rd/4th inning with a pitcher struggling to throw strikes. And that time is rarely early in games period.
ETA: I'm not saying there isn't a time and place for bunting. There is. That time is not with runners on first and 2nd up 3-0 in the 3rd/4th inning with a pitcher struggling to throw strikes. And that time is rarely early in games period.
This post was edited on 3/15/14 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 3/15/14 at 1:33 pm to engie
Apply for Cohen's job IMO.
Sidenote: "Ross Mitchell he's not a good pitcher he's just lucky."-- Will James
Sidenote: "Ross Mitchell he's not a good pitcher he's just lucky."-- Will James
Posted on 3/15/14 at 1:34 pm to engie
Ross Mitchell with the complete game W.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 3:19 pm to engie
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You disagree with something that's statistically proven across college baseball?
Realizing that averages in baseball are different in regards to what is acceptable, I'm guessing that batting averages of .270+ are not considered acceptable anymore, because a lot of those percentages are higher than that? The ones that aren't are with 2 outs. Why would you bunt with two outs anyway?
ETA: Oh and the bunt just worked. In the 4th.
This post was edited on 3/15/14 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 3/15/14 at 3:54 pm to DynastyDawg
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ETA: Oh and the bunt just worked. In the 4th.
That double would have most likely scored the runner from first anyway... so we threw away an out...
What does batting averages have to do with anything?
If you are likely to score 1.07 runs in a given circumstance -- and you give up a gimme out -- to setup a circumstance to likely only score 0.82 run -- it's generally not a good decision.
I love Cohen as manager. I have defended him when a bunch of people were destroying him. I just hate doing the bunting thing when it is statistically a bad decision. Are there times to do it? Absolutely.
This post was edited on 3/15/14 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 3/15/14 at 5:07 pm to engie
Good series win
Posted on 3/15/14 at 5:36 pm to dawgM2
Yes it was. Great job of the pitching staff and defense stepping up today -- and even some timely hitting.
Only our second SEC series-opening win under Cohen. Still need to get Friday night figured out, but outside of that, I was really impressed. Wish we had a midweek to get Woodruff some work in...
Only our second SEC series-opening win under Cohen. Still need to get Friday night figured out, but outside of that, I was really impressed. Wish we had a midweek to get Woodruff some work in...
Posted on 3/15/14 at 6:06 pm to engie
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That double would have most likely scored the runner from first anyway... so we threw away an out...
So you want to ignore the fact that the percentage chance he scores from second is higher than the percentage chance he scores from first by using success percentages of bunts? Come on man.
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What does batting averages have to do with anything?
I was making a point that a .270+ batting average is considered success, or at least serviceable, by comparing it to your bunting percentages. You're not going to have some 90% success rate on butting, just like you're not going to have any player with .900 batting average. You knew exactly what I was doing, don't play dumb to act like there is a zero percent chance your argument isn't flawless.
This is why I said agree to disagree, because no matter what material is presented to you, you are going to argue until the end of time as if you couldn't be wrong, or that it is merely an opinion of philosophy. You wouldn't do it that way, we get it, but it doesn't mean someone else wouldn't. That's all I'm trying to say.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 6:49 pm to DynastyDawg
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So you want to ignore the fact that the percentage chance he scores from second is higher than the percentage chance he scores from first by using success percentages of bunts? Come on man.
Where are you seeing these percentages? I'd love to read up on it...
The percentage chance he scores from first with no outs is 49%.
The percentage chance he scores from second with one out is 47%.
The chance we score more than 1 goes way down with one out.
So, what did we actually gain with that bunt?
The hits/errors on those bunts are virtually erased by the popups and hard grounders back to the pitcher where the lead runner is out. Even if the "success rate" where the bunter actually gets on base makes up the 2% dropoff in overall likelihood of scoring in that situation, it still didn't actually improve our chances of scoring a run at all. And after that out is recorded, it decreased our chances of scoring more than 1.
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I was making a point that a .270+ batting average is considered success, or at least serviceable, by comparing it to your bunting percentages. You're not going to have some 90% success rate on butting, just like you're not going to have any player with .900 batting average. You knew exactly what I was doing, don't play dumb to act like there is a zero percent chance your argument isn't flawless.
I'm not sure I'm following you at all.
There's a big difference between drag bunting for a hit, which you are apparently talking about(which has nothing to do with my argument), which is something that I like and never complain about -- and sacrifice bunting guys over, which we do the vast majority of the time and I don't like early in a game and outside of certain situations. They are 2 entirely different plays -- and shouldn't even be considered under the same umbrella.
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This is why I said agree to disagree, because no matter what material is presented to you, you are going to argue until the end of time as if you couldn't be wrong, or that it is merely an opinion of philosophy.
I'm not trying to argue with you -- I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from.
This post was edited on 3/15/14 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 3/15/14 at 6:52 pm to engie
Engie...is this what you are doing with your Saturday night? 
Posted on 3/15/14 at 6:53 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
Basically is...when I'm working...
Already mixed the first drink in the office though and getting out of here in a few.
Already mixed the first drink in the office though and getting out of here in a few.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 7:38 pm to DynastyDawg
Before I go...
I'm not trying to attack here or anything. I think you are a good poster and enjoy discussions with you. Per capita, this place has by far the most intelligent baseball posters -- and that's something to be proud of.
I just like spirited, in-depth debate. If I come off wrong sometimes, I apologize... I don't mean anything by it at all and don't even realize when I'm doing it until I reread stuff I said later.
I'm not trying to attack here or anything. I think you are a good poster and enjoy discussions with you. Per capita, this place has by far the most intelligent baseball posters -- and that's something to be proud of.
I just like spirited, in-depth debate. If I come off wrong sometimes, I apologize... I don't mean anything by it at all and don't even realize when I'm doing it until I reread stuff I said later.
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