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Posted on 8/11/12 at 10:07 pm to umrebel2009
Posted on 8/11/12 at 10:07 pm to umrebel2009
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So what is the difference in having a 3* player leave now so you can sign another 3* player next year
Because all 3-star players are not alike
Grindle was the worst player at his position in this class- soooo, if you are going to lose someone, losing the worst one helps your team.
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 11:43 pm to umrebel2009
You are grasping at straws on this.
Grindle @ CB is NO better than #8 on our current depth chart, and likely would still be #8 heading into his 3rd year(being jumped by Cox, Coman, Myles).
Coman simply hasn't qualified yet. What do you want me to tell you? He'll be here in January.
Schuessler is NOT as good as walk-on Jamil Golden(who we had NO idea we'd be getting on NSD). We took Sch. as an insurance policy that in the end we didn't need when Golden showed up.
Do you think you outrecruited us in 2012 now, with the loss of these players?
When have State fans ever cared about high2*/low3* players leaving OM's program because they couldn't cut it? We haven't. EVER. 4* and 5* players getting kicked off/leaving is a different story.
Your (09-12) classes:
5* Channing Ward - not yet qualified, can't practice with the team, speculated to be heading to Hargrave with Coman and Samuel
4* Nick Brassell - 1 good year, Gone
4* Delvin Jones - Did nothing, Gone
4* Tig Barksdale - Never played, Gone
4* Ray Cotton - Did zero, Gone
4* Craig Drummond - Did nada, Gone
4* Corey Gaines - Still with team, not on 2 deep as JR, BUST
4* Jamar Hornsby - Gone
4* Pat Patterson - Gone, 1yr minimal contribution
4* Rodney Scott - Gone
-the 4* and 5*s that have{thusfar) underachieved...Dorsey, Jackson, Mackey, Martin, Sanders, Thompson.
We dealt with OM's Rivals 'cruiting championships every season from 04 until your loss in 2012, when in hindsight, we destroyed you in 07, 08, 09, 10, and (likely)12. Your 2011 class may end up being slightly better than ours, although it destroyed us on paper, much like it's predecessors in 08 and 10.
When Quay Evans, Nick James, Richie Brown, Denico Autry, AJ Jefferson, Beniquez Brown, Will Redmond, or other of our 2012 4 and 5* talents leave the team en masse then you can state your case. Until then, it's sour grapes..
Grindle @ CB is NO better than #8 on our current depth chart, and likely would still be #8 heading into his 3rd year(being jumped by Cox, Coman, Myles).
Coman simply hasn't qualified yet. What do you want me to tell you? He'll be here in January.
Schuessler is NOT as good as walk-on Jamil Golden(who we had NO idea we'd be getting on NSD). We took Sch. as an insurance policy that in the end we didn't need when Golden showed up.
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The point is all you State fans are trying to spin the situation but if it were Ole Miss you'd be talking about how we bragged about out recruiting you then had our players not make it to campus
Do you think you outrecruited us in 2012 now, with the loss of these players?
When have State fans ever cared about high2*/low3* players leaving OM's program because they couldn't cut it? We haven't. EVER. 4* and 5* players getting kicked off/leaving is a different story.
Your (09-12) classes:
5* Channing Ward - not yet qualified, can't practice with the team, speculated to be heading to Hargrave with Coman and Samuel
4* Nick Brassell - 1 good year, Gone
4* Delvin Jones - Did nothing, Gone
4* Tig Barksdale - Never played, Gone
4* Ray Cotton - Did zero, Gone
4* Craig Drummond - Did nada, Gone
4* Corey Gaines - Still with team, not on 2 deep as JR, BUST
4* Jamar Hornsby - Gone
4* Pat Patterson - Gone, 1yr minimal contribution
4* Rodney Scott - Gone
-the 4* and 5*s that have{thusfar) underachieved...Dorsey, Jackson, Mackey, Martin, Sanders, Thompson.
We dealt with OM's Rivals 'cruiting championships every season from 04 until your loss in 2012, when in hindsight, we destroyed you in 07, 08, 09, 10, and (likely)12. Your 2011 class may end up being slightly better than ours, although it destroyed us on paper, much like it's predecessors in 08 and 10.
When Quay Evans, Nick James, Richie Brown, Denico Autry, AJ Jefferson, Beniquez Brown, Will Redmond, or other of our 2012 4 and 5* talents leave the team en masse then you can state your case. Until then, it's sour grapes..
This post was edited on 8/12/12 at 12:13 am
Posted on 8/12/12 at 12:15 am to umrebel2009
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So what is the difference in having a 3* player leave now so you can sign another 3* player next year vs just signing less players next year and having a player who has been in your system for a year.
We lose Grindle, a 3* RB who wasn't gonna beat out Josh Robinson or Derek Milton(Both RsFr) or Kailo Moore(consensus 4*) or the possible addition of Ahston Shumpert(4* on 247/scout, 3* on rivals) so he was moved to DB. right now he's behind Slay/Banks, Love/Calhoun, and Jiles/Redmond(both his year). Seeing how he's not a natural corner he'd probably be behind Gabe Myles and if we sign Justin Cox he'd most certainly be behind him.
Kivon Coman. He didn't qualify, is going to juco(or hargrave, can't remember), and has said he's coming back to Starkville after he gets his grades up. Either way, he was projected to play safety and we signed Quadry Antoine and Deonte Evans, both higher rated safety prospects that year. Not to mention the possible signing of Cortez Leonard and Antonio Conner.
Schuessler. Between Dak and Russell he was never going to play unless someone got hurt. An emergency option for this year if both got hurt. We lost him, picked up another decent option in Jamil Golden as a walk-on and now we have an extra scholarship. Sure, Golden doesn't really provide 'depth' at QB but neither did Schuessler, and we were never going to rely on either player to step up. The QB plan for last year was Alford or Liggins, and after both of those tanked it was whoever could fill a spot until next year.
This post was edited on 8/12/12 at 12:21 am
Posted on 8/12/12 at 12:31 am to engie
He's #8 on the depth chart with 3 starters about to graduate after this season. You're trying to play it off like this kid is a bust 1 week into summer practices..
There's also Michael Carr who was supposed to be the 2nd coming of Jesus after that one TD catch he had.
Also out of those players you listed of our Corey Gaines was a 2*, Rodney Scott was a 3*, and Jamar Hornsby was a 3*
Damien Jackson was pretty decent, last year was Mackey's first year to even play, and Martin and Sanders were redshirt freshmen last season so I wouldn't exactly say any of them were busts.
I was going to go through and post all the 4* players you've lost but there was only like 1 or 2 in each of your classes from 09-12. The majority of all of your classes are 2* and 3*, so actually losing a 3* player should be a big deal for you.
But you did lose
4* Maurice Langston
4* Montrell Conner
and then the majority of your other 4* players have either never played or have underachieved ie Chad Bumphis, Tyler Russell, Matthew Wells, etc
There's also Michael Carr who was supposed to be the 2nd coming of Jesus after that one TD catch he had.
Also out of those players you listed of our Corey Gaines was a 2*, Rodney Scott was a 3*, and Jamar Hornsby was a 3*
Damien Jackson was pretty decent, last year was Mackey's first year to even play, and Martin and Sanders were redshirt freshmen last season so I wouldn't exactly say any of them were busts.
I was going to go through and post all the 4* players you've lost but there was only like 1 or 2 in each of your classes from 09-12. The majority of all of your classes are 2* and 3*, so actually losing a 3* player should be a big deal for you.
But you did lose
4* Maurice Langston
4* Montrell Conner
and then the majority of your other 4* players have either never played or have underachieved ie Chad Bumphis, Tyler Russell, Matthew Wells, etc
Posted on 8/12/12 at 12:44 am to umrebel2009
And after all this- its being reported that Grindle is coming back to State
Posted on 8/12/12 at 12:52 am to CoonassBulldog
Well that sucks, now you're stuck with a shitty cornerback who is 8th on the depth chart and the worst out of the other CBs in his class. I bet yall are pissed.
Posted on 8/12/12 at 1:54 am to umrebel2009
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He's #8 on the depth chart with 3 starters about to graduate after this season.
He will still be #8 next year behind Justin Cox, Gabe Myles, and Kivon Coman. Maybe we can find him a different skill to work on.
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Corey Gaines was a 2*, Rodney Scott was a 3*, and Jamar Hornsby was a 3*
ORLY?
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and then the majority of your other 4* players have either never played or have underachieved ie Chad Bumphis, Tyler Russell, Matthew Wells, etc
We've missed on fewer 4*s than you've connected on. That's a fact. Our 09 and 10 classes will have somewhere around 3x the draftees yours will(being generous). We got what will end up being 15+ NFL guys in those two classes. You'll be LUCKY to have 5.
LOL @ calling Russell, Bumphis, and Wells underachievers. We'll see.
Posted on 8/12/12 at 2:22 am to engie
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ORLY?
YA RLY
Corey Gaines
Jamar Hornsby
Rodney Scott
Chad Bumphis has underachieved for sure.
2009 375 yds 4 tds
2010 634 yds 5 tds
2011 339 yds 3 tds
The majority of his yards are against your shitty OOC teams.
His yards vs SEC teams last year:
Auburn 30yds 2 rec
LSU 7yds 2 rec
Georgia 15yds 2 rec
USCe 26yds 2 rec
Kentucky 26yds 1 rec
Alabama 16yds 2 rec
Arkansas 5yds 1 rec
Ole Miss 0yds 1 rec
And for Tyler Russell to be a 4* QB coming out of highschool and not able to beat out Relf and in his 2 seasons of playing he's thrown 5tds and 6 ints in 2010 and 8tds and 4 ints in 2011. I would say he's underachieving.
Posted on 8/12/12 at 3:06 am to umrebel2009
Fact: the 2009 MSU class is going to end up being the BEST in the modern history of this state. Whine and doubt that if you must, but almost half that class(11-14 players) is going to end up in the NFL, including the 3 that are already there. 2 will definitely be first rounders(Cox/Banks), and it's quite possible that 4 end up being(Whitley/Jackson).
Oh, so now you switch to using Scout rankings when it fits your agenda, knowing that NO Rebels actually use Scout rankings. You all star gaze at Rivals, who always ranks you higher...
Ok chief. For reference, he played last season hurt, and still admits that he underachieved(one bad season in a career does not make a player an underachiver. Ask Anthony Dixon).
vs Arky
Bulldozing Arky
Bump vs FIFTY year landsharks
Bump vs Bama
Bump vs UGA
Bump breaks collarbone, wasn't same last year
He accounted for over 26% of our total passing yards in 2010 and 22% in 2009. Even after a bad year, he's still projected to be drafted(nfldraftscout.com). Matt Berry seems to think Bump goes for 700 yards this season. That puts him into the all-time elite receivers in MSU history. Either #2 or 3 in alltime receiving yards, nevermind his all purpose yards. Bumphis Record Books
Russell is projected by Matt Berry to throw for 3000 yards and 23td this year. That would be a new MSU record. Russell Breaks MSU records He's also projected to be the first MSU QB to be drafted(4th-6th rd) since John Bond in 1984.
Funny how you deny your 2nd/3rd yr 4* players are underachieving, yet Russell is..
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YA RLY
Oh, so now you switch to using Scout rankings when it fits your agenda, knowing that NO Rebels actually use Scout rankings. You all star gaze at Rivals, who always ranks you higher...
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Chad Bumphis has underachieved for sure.
Ok chief. For reference, he played last season hurt, and still admits that he underachieved(one bad season in a career does not make a player an underachiver. Ask Anthony Dixon).
vs Arky
Bulldozing Arky
Bump vs FIFTY year landsharks
Bump vs Bama
Bump vs UGA
Bump breaks collarbone, wasn't same last year
He accounted for over 26% of our total passing yards in 2010 and 22% in 2009. Even after a bad year, he's still projected to be drafted(nfldraftscout.com). Matt Berry seems to think Bump goes for 700 yards this season. That puts him into the all-time elite receivers in MSU history. Either #2 or 3 in alltime receiving yards, nevermind his all purpose yards. Bumphis Record Books
Russell is projected by Matt Berry to throw for 3000 yards and 23td this year. That would be a new MSU record. Russell Breaks MSU records He's also projected to be the first MSU QB to be drafted(4th-6th rd) since John Bond in 1984.
Funny how you deny your 2nd/3rd yr 4* players are underachieving, yet Russell is..
Posted on 8/12/12 at 4:14 am to engie
I never look at rivals, I've always gone by Scout rankings...I'm not Bundy I don't shop around for whatever gives the highest stars for that particular player, the stars don't mean that much to me. I've just started looking at the 247 rankings because I see people on here saying they're the best but never used rivals.
I'm not even arguing that your 2009 class wasn't good, so I'm not sure why you keep trying to convince me. Our 2009 class could've been good too but we recruited too many screw ups so it ended up being terrible.
That's cool that you have 5 good plays of him to show videos of over a 2 year span, but that doesn't convince me that he hasn't underachieved. He's an ok player that has had some good plays every now and then, but as a 4* WR I think he has underachieved.
You can look at this video of Enrique Davis getting huge runs on LSU, Arkansas, Alabama, etc and he looks good in that video but he sucked and typically got around 1 or 2 yards per carry. Once in a blue moon he had a good play and he underachieved too.
That's also cool that some fantasy football website predicts that Bumphis and Russell will put up big numbers this year but they've yet to actually do it so it means nothing. You're using random made up stats that this guy pulled out of his arse as proof that Russell and Bumphis aren't underachieving.
Also I really just threw in Russell's name because you were pointing out our rsSOPH as underachievers even though they've only played one year and it's been mostly backup.
I'm not even arguing that your 2009 class wasn't good, so I'm not sure why you keep trying to convince me. Our 2009 class could've been good too but we recruited too many screw ups so it ended up being terrible.
That's cool that you have 5 good plays of him to show videos of over a 2 year span, but that doesn't convince me that he hasn't underachieved. He's an ok player that has had some good plays every now and then, but as a 4* WR I think he has underachieved.
You can look at this video of Enrique Davis getting huge runs on LSU, Arkansas, Alabama, etc and he looks good in that video but he sucked and typically got around 1 or 2 yards per carry. Once in a blue moon he had a good play and he underachieved too.
That's also cool that some fantasy football website predicts that Bumphis and Russell will put up big numbers this year but they've yet to actually do it so it means nothing. You're using random made up stats that this guy pulled out of his arse as proof that Russell and Bumphis aren't underachieving.
Also I really just threw in Russell's name because you were pointing out our rsSOPH as underachievers even though they've only played one year and it's been mostly backup.
Posted on 8/12/12 at 9:01 am to umrebel2009
Engie gonna fact you into a hole, bro
Posted on 8/12/12 at 9:19 am to umrebel2009
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That's cool that you have 5 good plays of him to show videos of over a 2 year span, but that doesn't convince me that he hasn't underachieved. He's an ok player that has had some good plays every now and then, but as a 4* WR I think he has underachieved.
Chad Bumphis
2011- 339 yards Second highest yards on the team. 3 Passing TD's, tied for 2nd. Averaged 13.6 YPC. Accounted for 14% of our passing yards and 15% of our passing TD's. Sure, 340 yards isn't world beating, but with our offense last year it was still better than all but one of our receivers.
2010-Led us in receiving yards and TD's with 634 yards and 5 TD's. Averaged 14.4 YPC. Accounted for 26% of our passing yards and 27% of our passing TD's. Yeah, 634 yards and 5 TD's is nothing to brag about, but our passing offense was terrible and without him we'd only have 3/4ths of it.
2009-Led us in receiving yards and TD's with 375 and 4 as a true freshman. Averaged 11.7 YPC. Accounted for 21% of our passing yards and 44% of our passing TD's. 375 passing yards isn't good, but it was a 1/5 of our passing yards and nearly half of our passing TD's(4/9th).
Other then last year I'd say we've gotten pretty good production out of Bumphis considering we've had Tyson Lee and Chris Relf as our quarterbacks.
Matt Wells
2011-Nominated for All-SEC Freshman. Played in all of the games and got 36 tackles and 5 tackles for loss as a backup. How is this a bust?
2010-Redshirted. Between KJ, Chris, Gatling, Lawrence, and Skinner we didn't need him to play.
Tyler Russell
I'll preface this by saying he's the only one I could entertain the argument of being a bust of the three you mentioned simply because he hasn't started a full season yet.
2011- Had 85% of Relf's passing yards, 80% of Relf's TD's, 1/2 of Relf's INT's with 70% of Relf's passing attempts. Relf beat him soundly on rushing yards(which is why he stayed in) but Relf only had 2 rushing TD's to Russell's 1. Had he equaled Relf's passing attempts he would have been projected to have 121% of his yards, 114% of his TD's, and 70% of his INT's, or 1471 yards, 11 TD's and 6 INT's. Had he taken Relf's and Russell's passing snaps put together he would have been projected to have 2558 yards, 19 TD's, and 10 INT's. Yards and TD's would have both been school records.
2010-Relf was on fire the later half of the season in an offense built to his strengths so Russell only played a little. Russell had 35% of Relf's passing yards with 30% of his passing attempts, but equalled Relf's INT's. He had bad decision making skills year two.
2009-Redshirted.
This post was edited on 8/12/12 at 9:23 am
Posted on 8/12/12 at 9:45 am to LBC
This whole page is tl;dr.
Posted on 8/12/12 at 9:46 am to LBC
Bumphis is def a bust up to this point.
Posted on 8/12/12 at 10:13 am to Requiem For A Dawg
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Bumphis is def a bust up to this point.
I've never seen an athlete so eager to step out of bounds one yard shy of the 1st down marker...
Posted on 8/12/12 at 11:36 am to pankReb
He just didn't improve at all after 2009. One of those guys who is a big recruit in high school but had pretty much reached his potential already.
Posted on 8/12/12 at 11:38 am to NIH
Merlin's can't evaluate talent and only sees stars.
lulz
lulz
Posted on 8/12/12 at 11:39 am to LBC
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Chad Bumphis
2011- 339 yards Second highest yards on the team. 3 Passing TD's, tied for 2nd. Averaged 13.6 YPC. Accounted for 14% of our passing yards and 15% of our passing TD's. Sure, 340 yards isn't world beating, but with our offense last year it was still better than all but one of our receivers.
2010-Led us in receiving yards and TD's with 634 yards and 5 TD's. Averaged 14.4 YPC. Accounted for 26% of our passing yards and 27% of our passing TD's. Yeah, 634 yards and 5 TD's is nothing to brag about, but our passing offense was terrible and without him we'd only have 3/4ths of it.
2009-Led us in receiving yards and TD's with 375 and 4 as a true freshman. Averaged 11.7 YPC. Accounted for 21% of our passing yards and 44% of our passing TD's. 375 passing yards isn't good, but it was a 1/5 of our passing yards and nearly half of our passing TD's(4/9th).
So like I said, he has underachieved and your WRs in general are average which is why an underachieving Bumphis is one of your top WRs.
Posted on 8/12/12 at 11:59 am to umrebel2009
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So like I said, he has underachieved and your WRs in general are average which is why an underachieving Bumphis is one of your top WRs.
Bumphis was indeed overrated- but having Relf at QB has held the WR's back- much like your QB's will be holding Moncrief back
Posted on 8/12/12 at 12:10 pm to umrebel2009
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So like I said, he has underachieved and your WRs in general are average which is why an underachieving Bumphis is one of your top WRs
So does that make Moncrief a bust? He had similar year 1 stats.
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