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re: This loss was on Feleipe
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:51 am to atlgator
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:51 am to atlgator
I have to agree you can blame the coaches all you want but this game was solely on Frank's he had numerous receivers open flushes out to the short side ( for some reason)of the field and has no choice but to run but not to just throw it away in spots where you have nothing is what really gets me.
I do not why they did not pull him in the second quarter and put Zaire in a series or 2 so Frank's can see the field and get a better idea of what he is not seeing when he is out there.
I have faith that things are going to get better after the bye week still will lose to UGA but then have mizzu,cocky,and UAB to get to 6 wins then will se what happens with free shoes U this maybe a game to see who goes bowling and who doesn't
Still going to scream and shout at the television when watching games because gator football is still very important to me and to all the fellow gators on this board also let's see how this all turns out.
I do not why they did not pull him in the second quarter and put Zaire in a series or 2 so Frank's can see the field and get a better idea of what he is not seeing when he is out there.
I have faith that things are going to get better after the bye week still will lose to UGA but then have mizzu,cocky,and UAB to get to 6 wins then will se what happens with free shoes U this maybe a game to see who goes bowling and who doesn't
Still going to scream and shout at the television when watching games because gator football is still very important to me and to all the fellow gators on this board also let's see how this all turns out.
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:05 pm to slayerxing
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Then why the frick was he recruited?
Face it straw, this staff is garbage at identifying qb talent and coaching it up. We have years of data to support that now.
Because there was fricking no one else.
Grier leaves, Harris is our only quarterback after year one.
You guys have been thinking because we've won ten games in a row the last two years that the program was better than mediocre, we weren't.
This is the first quarterback that McElwain has had on his roster since a Freshman and is a bust. He's the highest rated quarterback who was willing to play for Florida after a good long time not having one.
We put Franks out.
We put in Del Rio, he got injured, Franks is back in.
He's being played because he's a lost resort.
To the others saying that it's premature: Franks literally shows no quality as a quarterback, and from the very beginning has been called ''raw''. He has all the physical qualities, none of the QB mentality.
Maybe one day he will be a quarterback -- it will take more time than six games playing.
He won't be quarterback next year, and I'd be surprised if he's quarterback for the next game. If he had help with receivers, maybe we could make him look serviceable, but with no Toney, no Callaway, Cleveland getting few touches, we're not going to make him suddenly look like a real quarterback.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:08 pm to AlbinoGator
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I do not why they did not pull him in the second quarter and put Zaire in a series or 2 so Frank's can see the field and get a better idea of what he is not seeing when he is out there.
I think part of the problem is that he wasn't necessarily ''losing'' the game for us. So pulling him would look premature. People gave McElwain shite for pulling Franks in the Michigan game.
Franks won't be the guy to drive us downfield for a win, though. He's had two opportunities to get us into field goal range (forget a touchdown) and has gotten a total of like ten yards outside of a screen to Davis.
Abysmal throws.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:11 pm to AlbinoGator
Blaming players is ridiculous...
Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:14 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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McElwain had one quarterback who ran his system well -- Grier, and he looked like a game manager behind one of the worst lines we've had in years.
Grier has been the best QB under Mac, and it took him 2 games to decide to make him the permanent starter over Treon Harris.
Based on everything you've posted, they apparently aren't very good at evaluating talent to their system as their recruits are busts. They aren't great evaluating the talent that's here as they've struggled to make otherwise easy decisions on playing time and/or are playing the wrong QB. And they've failed to develop the QBs on the roster.
Why again do you have confidence that this is the staff to lead UF?
Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:43 pm to atlgator
If you watch Franks high school film it was a lot like Driskels. Roll outs and throwing bombs in an backyard type offense. And he has the same problems that Driskel did. Can't read the field and throws into double and triple coverages. I don't understand why we keep taking on experiments to run a complex offense.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:44 pm to bgator85
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Grier has been the best QB under Mac, and it took him 2 games to decide to make him the permanent starter over Treon Harris.
Redshirt Freshman who has never played a snap in college vs. a 3 year somewhat starter.
Not shocking that he gives Harris a chance.
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Based on everything you've posted, they apparently aren't very good at evaluating talent to their system as their recruits are busts.
See, this is where I lose my patience. Del Rio was not a bust -- he just needed time. Franks might do well with time, but I doubt it. Appleby looked serviceable, Harris was bad.
It took him two years to get a 5* quarterback when we've struggled at that position for 9.
Not to mention his 3* Freshman running back well on his way to a thousand year season.
Not to mention Toney, the best playmaker we have on our team (3*).
Cleveland? He's one of the best receivers we've had since Meyer's days.
Callaway? 3* who outproduced a junior five star that played for Muschamp.
His players are most certainly not busts. Did you see the defense?
They have struggled to find a quarterback in two years (now into their third), but that's because of injuries and transfers. We're not having this conversation if Grier isn't busted for PEDs.
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Why again do you have confidence that this is the staff to lead UF?
300 yards with a bad quarterback.
Held A&M to less yards than Alabama did with an offense that got less first downs.
Held A&M to seven less first downs than Alabama.
If we can do this with a team that's comprised of mostly underclassmen, imagine what this crew can do with older, more talented players.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
ALWAYS WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR. THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT NEXT YEAR GUYS.
FOR SURE. THIS TIME THERE WONT BE SUSPENSIONS OR INJURIES OR WHATEVER NEW EXCUSE POPS UP. EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS TO HAPPEN EVERY YEAR ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
THIS TIME THEY WILL RECRUIT A GOOD QB AFTER FAILING TO DO SO FOR 3 YEARS.
BECAUSE OF COURSE THESE PROBLEMS ARE CORRECTABLE RIGHT?
Right?
FOR SURE. THIS TIME THERE WONT BE SUSPENSIONS OR INJURIES OR WHATEVER NEW EXCUSE POPS UP. EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS TO HAPPEN EVERY YEAR ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
THIS TIME THEY WILL RECRUIT A GOOD QB AFTER FAILING TO DO SO FOR 3 YEARS.
BECAUSE OF COURSE THESE PROBLEMS ARE CORRECTABLE RIGHT?
Right?
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:27 pm to olemc999
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If you watch Franks high school film it was a lot like Driskels. Roll outs and throwing bombs in an backyard type offense. And he has the same problems that Driskel did. Can't read the field and throws into double and triple coverages. I don't understand why we keep taking on experiments to run a complex offense.
It's because good QBs don't want to play for this staff. Half of his QBs he brought in have been transfer looking for playing time because they were not good enough to start for their only shite teams. I agree about Frank's looking like Driskell . But Driskell look much better after he left the team and was put into a offense built for him with better teaching and play calling. Smart has been at Georgia for 2 years and he has a Sophomore and freshmen QB that are capable of running his offense and has the top QB in high school committed to Georgia.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:35 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
A lot of posters were calling for Franks to start over Del Rio back in August...well...I tried to warn folks what would happen to start a skinny lanky kid with NO snap experience. Look at his jersey...last night it was so obvious he doesn't fit in his jersey even with flak jacket. 227lb? Then I weigh 800 lbs. He is really about 6'5 1/2 and 215-218 tops.
Unlike Straw I like Franks's upside....but it will take time to get him to where we need to be. Mac isn't gonna let 2018 implode if Franks isn't ready and able to see the field. But we cant start a true frosh and go through this shite anymore. Del Rio will be a senior next year and hopefully he can start games and play smart and not get hurt. I honestly think we win the last two games if Del Rio was playing.
Some on this board constantly blame the staff and have an agenda to try and hurt our recruiting....we have a lot of alters here trust me. Last year the coaching staff spent a lot of time getting Franks to stop the awful wind up delivery he had in high school. He can be successful..but lets hope he has improved quite a bit next year or Del Rio starts.
BTW don't count UGA as a L just yet. # 2 Clemson thought too highly of themselves and Syracuse, a 3 loss team brought them down to earth...ditto Iowa St over Oklahoma when they were 33 point underdogs. Our DL can keep us in games...we just need turnovers from our defense to help the offense and the special teams needs to step up.
Unlike Straw I like Franks's upside....but it will take time to get him to where we need to be. Mac isn't gonna let 2018 implode if Franks isn't ready and able to see the field. But we cant start a true frosh and go through this shite anymore. Del Rio will be a senior next year and hopefully he can start games and play smart and not get hurt. I honestly think we win the last two games if Del Rio was playing.
Some on this board constantly blame the staff and have an agenda to try and hurt our recruiting....we have a lot of alters here trust me. Last year the coaching staff spent a lot of time getting Franks to stop the awful wind up delivery he had in high school. He can be successful..but lets hope he has improved quite a bit next year or Del Rio starts.
BTW don't count UGA as a L just yet. # 2 Clemson thought too highly of themselves and Syracuse, a 3 loss team brought them down to earth...ditto Iowa St over Oklahoma when they were 33 point underdogs. Our DL can keep us in games...we just need turnovers from our defense to help the offense and the special teams needs to step up.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:43 pm to reel_gator8
Del Rio has been hurt every season he's been here because of bad decision making and poor OL play. Why is that going to be different next year after the same shite the previous 2 years? Trends indicate that won't be the case.
So basically, if UF can pull a miracle upset they can beat UGA? No shite... weird. Who would have thunk it right?
Mac will live and die with Franks. He recruited him, he will be a third year player next year, and if he can't do it, it'll fall to LDR, again, or a true freshman, or maybe another transfer prayer.
I do not like Florida's chances in any of those scenarios.
Unless they find a new OC.
So basically, if UF can pull a miracle upset they can beat UGA? No shite... weird. Who would have thunk it right?
Mac will live and die with Franks. He recruited him, he will be a third year player next year, and if he can't do it, it'll fall to LDR, again, or a true freshman, or maybe another transfer prayer.
I do not like Florida's chances in any of those scenarios.
Unless they find a new OC.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 2:24 pm to slayerxing
Slayer YOU were the one yelling for Franks and said you would be pissed if Del Rio started....don't give me your horseshite negative story. You got Franks just like you wanted and like I warned...we would suffer losses. He isn't ready and Del Rio would be starting if not injured. Imo we win the last two games if JDR was the QB.
Mac will be the HC in 2018 and why piss and moan? If he isn't successful on offense....then he is gone. Simple.
Mac will be the HC in 2018 and why piss and moan? If he isn't successful on offense....then he is gone. Simple.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 2:28 pm to atlgator
I don't see how going away from run plays that are working before the opponent seems to figure out how to stop them, something that even Mick and Lee noted in their post game, has anything to do with Franks.
Yeah, Franks misses a lot of open guys, but we have a good enough run game that we should have been able to finish that game yesterday without worrying about passing.
Yeah, Franks misses a lot of open guys, but we have a good enough run game that we should have been able to finish that game yesterday without worrying about passing.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 2:36 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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Blaming players is ridiculous...
I know what I saw at that game last night.
Franks lost us that game. Not the play calling. Period.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 3:19 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Ldr looked the exact same. Franks probably had better coaching in HS. Nord coaching killed this team. I
Posted on 10/15/17 at 3:28 pm to atlgator
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Franks lost us that game. Not the play calling. Period.
So coach Mac's inability to recruit and coach up QBs lost us that game ? It's not Franks fault that he is best option for this team to win .
Posted on 10/15/17 at 3:34 pm to tjv305
Watching the game again, Franks is a big reason we lost. First Pick in the EZ in dbl coverage when Lewis was W I D E open for the td. Runs out of bounds for losses instead of putting it into the stands
I wont lie,i had high hopes for him but the more i watch him play, the more limitations i see.
I wont lie,i had high hopes for him but the more i watch him play, the more limitations i see.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 3:38 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Redshirt Freshman who has never played a snap in college vs. a 3 year somewhat starter. Not shocking that he gives Harris a chance.
You have no clue what your talking about again. Harris and Grier were on the same signing class. So how does Harris have 3 years of somewhat starting but Grier is only a redshirt freshman? You sure like to make stuff up to support your agenda .
Posted on 10/15/17 at 5:20 pm to tjv305
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You have no clue what your talking about again. Harris and Grier were on the same signing class. So how does Harris have 3 years of somewhat starting but Grier is only a redshirt freshman? You sure like to make stuff up to support your agenda .
My bad, I thought Harris had played in 2013 for some reason. Harris had played, though, the entire year before and had been the starter while Grier had a Redshirt. So he had a year of experience whereas Grier hadn't played.
And you guys saying Muschamp recruited Driskel, and Driskel committed to Florida when Muschamp was there flings a bit of egg in your face.
Glass houses, all that.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 5:32 pm to atlgator
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Franks lost us that game. Not the play calling. Period.
Franks does not get paid to play. He's not a professional. He is doing the best he can out there and it is fricked up calling out a scholarship athlete. 1 bad play could be the last for Franks. He, just like every other player risks their lives going out there. Years later Franks will have football related injuries that the University won't give a shite about and neither will you (been there done that). UF will not pay Franks medical bills years later. Neither will McElwain but I digress. McElwain, however gets paid very well to determine who he wants on the field. He gets paid to coach up the players that he wants on the field. The only people playing are the people Mac decides to play.
Blaming players is bullshite. It is fricking foul and pathetic when they put in blood, sweat and tears that you would never know what it's like.
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