re: Should we enjoy the win or talk about Franks?

I don't even know why we even need this discussion because Corral isn't on our team. Mullen didn't want him, and I 100% believe in Mullen, especially after seeing what he has done with Franks. I agreed with you in preseason and at the beginning of the season about trying Trask out, but I think everyone can see the improvements with Franks. Im ready to see what another offseason can do for him under Mullen.
Colorado State does have a terrible defense playing against Mountain West opponents. ULM has a worse defense playing against Sun Belt opponents. By the time Corral came in ULM already had their 2nd and 3rd string in. So no matter what stats you try to compare between the 2, it just won't compare.
Lets compare wins as a starter this year. Franks is 6-1 while Corral hasn't started a game. Therefore Franks is better

Your Trask is on the bench...get over it ahole

Driskel went 11 - 2 in a Muschamp offense. Franks is not 6 - 1, Driskel was not 11 - 2.

Our defense, rushing and special teams are all operating 30 slots minimum better than the QB position.

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Our defense, rushing and special teams are all operating 30 slots minimum better than the QB position.

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We have more passing touchdowns this season than rushing touchdowns. We’re seeing the best quarterback play we’ve seen from a Gator quarterback since the last time Mullen was here. This argument should not be about whether or not Franks is great or going to the NFL or whatever, this should be a thread commending Mullen for putting Franks in a system and in a position to have 15 TD passes to only 5 picks through the first half of the season.

That is great for us this year, but it should give everyone in here a hard dick thinking about what this offense and this team is going to look like when we have a legitimate dual threat quarterback like Emory, Jalon Jones, and Anthony Richardson. Franks is doing what Mullen asks him to do and in doing that, he’s putting up some pretty solid numbers, especially considering Franks is basically a true freshman with a limited skillset in Mullen’s system. He’s just not a line up and quarterback run you kind of dual threat guy Mullen would prefer.

Oh absolutely. I think he has the potential to start the next two seasons, throw 25+ touchdowns both years and get drafted top 10 overall.

I think one of the young QBs will start getting some packages, but Feleipe will be the clear starter. His arm talent is undeniable. The more Mullen gets to coach him the better and better he’ll get.

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We have more passing touchdowns this season than rushing touchdowns.

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Specifically due to Special Teams and Defense who give short yards for our team to operate under. Flipping the field etc. etc. Most games we're averaging the our own 40 yard line and that's outstanding.

I mean, I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.

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Big thing no stat shows is leadership and toughness. He goes on weird droughts that are mind boggling..but he has come through when needed for multiple games now. Kid has heart. I like a QB with heart.

Hoping Jones has the same kind of fight in him for the future.

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I mean, he has to. The rest of the team is pretty solid outside of the defense in the first quarter of every game (they seem to have to adjust in game, which I'm fine with).

You have to come through, but even the big time passes he does make are rarely because of his throwing ability and more because of the athletes surrounding him. Both touchdowns against Vandy were a slant and a bubble screen.

Those droughts are what kill offensive production and why 'we don't throw so much' as reel pointed out. We know that throwing intermediate-deep on first down is just as good as running for zero yards on first down. It's unfortunate, but it's just the reality of the situation.

Could Franks be a good Quarterback? I'm sure he could be, I just think it's going to take a few years, not just this one. I also think that QBs who have real running ability will eventually get the nod instead of him.

I severely doubt he's the starter in 2020 when Emory Jones is a Junior and Jalon Jones is a Sophomore. Especially Jalon, that kid is electric with the ball.

Franks maybe has one more year with Florida, but after that unless he suddenly becomes consistent (very consistent) I doubt we can pass up a true dual-threat running our offense.

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Dude, what the hell. We saw last year that he COULDNT make passes at all. This year he can! It’s not the defense or the special teams that have thrown 15 touchdown passes. It’s Feleipe Franks.

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Who couldn't throw 15? How many touchdowns would, say, Will Grier? It's the exact same problem with Fromm -- who can't throw slants and bubble screens, outs and checkdowns? That's not the issue here.

The issue is how bad he is as a runner, and his decision making still has years it needs to advance. He literally threw it to three Vanderbilt defenders last game directly after throwing a great pass right down the seam.

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How exactly did Van Jefferson score against Vandy?

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Break away speed. If you're salivating over Franks throwing a slant, boy are you going to be impressed by other Quarterbacks.

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I don’t understand how on God’s green earth you can deny the progression he has made from last year to this year

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I don't understand how on God's green Earth I have to keep coming back and saying he is progressing, it's just not ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. He is NO WHERE near SEC Caliber QB. The statistics are greatly helped by field position, great defense and special teams.

THOSE have improved.

Takeaways: 81st to 1st.
Fumble Recoveries: 125th to 1st.
Fumbles Caused: 129th to 12th.
Total Sacks: 79th to 12th.
Scoring Defense: 69th to 14th.
Passing Defense: 28th to 9th.
Tackles for Loss: 76th to 18th.

We're 91st this year, we were 107th last year. He's better, but he's not winning games with his arm or legs.

Do you think he would have the same numbers is we took 20 yards of field possession away on average?

I mean, be intellectually honest.

How many times has he actually driven the offense down the field, specifically with his arm?

Look at the Tennessee game, for instance:

15 Drives.

Where they started:

Own 25 - Punt
Opp 21 - Touchdown
Opp 07 - Touchdown
Own 38 - Fumble (Terrible read by Franks)
Own 45 - Touchdown (Great throw to Swain, his best play all year.)
Own 20 - Punt
Own 26 - Field Goal
Opp 19 - Touchdown
Own 13 - Punt
Own 18 - Punt
Own 29 - Punt
Own 25 - Touchdown (This is the first drive from our 25 that resulted in a touchdown, 1 minute left in 3rd)
Own 29 - Punt
Opp 47 - Touchdown

There is one sustained drive where Franks drove the team down the field, and it begins in the third quarter when the game is already over.

I mean let's take a look at MSST, where he didn't throw a single touchdown pass.

Own 31 - Punt
Own 10 - Field Goal (Franks 3 completions on 15 play drive.)
Own 23 - Punt
Own 25 - Interception
Own 27 - Touchdown (Perine touched the ball 5 out of 6 times, Toney with TD pass)
Own 10 - Punt
Own 43 - Punt
Opp 40 - Field Goal
Own 35 - Punt

I'll even take one more game, let's go with LSU just to emphasize my point EVEN more than it has been emphasized.

Own 25 - Punt
Own 33 - Punt
Own 45 - Punt
Opp 43 - Touchdown (Imagine)
Own 10 - Punt
Own 25 - Touchdown
Own 25 - Interception
Own 23 - Punt
Own 08 - Punt
Own 20 - Punt
Own 16 - Punt
Own 04 - Punt

So let's do a tally:

Touchdowns scored by Franks when starting within our own 30 vs. Tennessee, MSST and LSU:

2. Out of 22. This has nothing to do with hate, or me not liking Franks -- it has to do with cold, hard stats. I mean, it is blatantly obvious that his numbers are super inflated because of how often our defense and special teams is able to put him in places to succeed.

Sure, he has to throw it, but much like Fromm last year: A mediocre Quarterback can thrive when the rest of the team is doing well, but will fail when they struggle (for example: Kentucky).

Let's see what happens in the rest of the year -- if he can help sustain more drives and hit more than 56% of his passes vs. P5 opponents.

Franks vs. Tougher SEC Opponents (Passing):

3 Touchdowns, 3 Interceptions

Franks vs. Tennessee and Vanderbilt:

5 Touchdowns, 1 Interception.

Come on, man. The stats are there, they don't lie.

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We can put context

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If you don't want to talk context, that's completely fine -- but to say it doesn't have weight is where we just have to agree to disagree.

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Let’s celebrate that and be excited about how Franks can continue to improve.

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Tua's hitting 71% of his passes, has 21 touchdowns and zero interceptions. As a True Sophomore.

I'm not asking for Tua, though. I'm asking that Feleipe actually have a decent game against a decent opponent.

Toughest opponents is where he collapses and plays very poorly.

Kentucky, MSST and LSU:

51/96, 53.4% (several percentage points lower than last year as a whole) with 3 touchdowns and 3 interceptions. If the only place he can be a good Quarterback is when the other team sucks, he's not a good Quarterback.

I won't let Fromm slip with it, I'm not sure why I should let Franks other than you think he's a nice guy and he went from dogshit to below average.