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re: Same as Muschamp, time for change
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:46 pm to Gatorbait2008
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:46 pm to Gatorbait2008
Really 3 full recruiting cycles but hey whatever.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:48 pm to Gatorbait2008
Smart has also been immersed in recruiting the southeast his entire time at Bama and it was a seamless transition to become the head coach at UGA- recruits already knew who he was.
Mac was away from the southeast for almost an entire four year cycle. He had to work to get the trust and relationships back that were already established between high schools and certain coaches at other schools. Mac came into a more difficult situation where FSU was at their peak, UGA was solid, Bama got whoever they wanted, etc. Last cycle and this cycle you're starting to see the relationships that have been in the works for the last few years bloom and the recruiting is picking back up to where it belongs. How can you acknowledge that he is starting to recruit good and make the argument that he should be fired because he's not a good recruiter in the same post? Isn't the fact that he's starting to recruit at a high level a good indicator that he is figuring it out? And if he's figuring the recruiting part out, don't you think it's fair to give him more of an opportunity to get the offense right, get the program on its feet and see what it looks like in his image? Don't you think it is a little shortsighted to call for a coach to get fired in the middle of a rebuild with an uber young defense and a freshman quarterback? Why not trust the process and if it doesn't work out, he gets fired and if it does, it ends in what we all hope for- a championship
Mac was away from the southeast for almost an entire four year cycle. He had to work to get the trust and relationships back that were already established between high schools and certain coaches at other schools. Mac came into a more difficult situation where FSU was at their peak, UGA was solid, Bama got whoever they wanted, etc. Last cycle and this cycle you're starting to see the relationships that have been in the works for the last few years bloom and the recruiting is picking back up to where it belongs. How can you acknowledge that he is starting to recruit good and make the argument that he should be fired because he's not a good recruiter in the same post? Isn't the fact that he's starting to recruit at a high level a good indicator that he is figuring it out? And if he's figuring the recruiting part out, don't you think it's fair to give him more of an opportunity to get the offense right, get the program on its feet and see what it looks like in his image? Don't you think it is a little shortsighted to call for a coach to get fired in the middle of a rebuild with an uber young defense and a freshman quarterback? Why not trust the process and if it doesn't work out, he gets fired and if it does, it ends in what we all hope for- a championship
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:50 pm to Gatorbait2008
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So he should be better in year one then Mac in cycle four?
Alabama thrashed FSU, South Carolina (LOL) beat NC State -- Miami is doing better than average against pretty weak competition.
He was a ten win coach in the SEC, no idea why he wouldn't be able to manage better there.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:01 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I think had we hired Mac straight off of his NC with Bama the transition wouldve been easier recruiting wise. Going to CoSt a team not on the national radar hurt him as far as familiarity goes.
Oh well, needles going up on recruiting.
Oh well, needles going up on recruiting.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:22 pm to dbuchanon
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I think had we hired Mac straight off of his NC with Bama the transition wouldve been easier recruiting wise. Going to CoSt a team not on the national radar hurt him as far as familiarity goes.
Oh well, needles going up on recruiting.
Corral, Pearce and Copeland alone are game changers. Having them come in at the same time is going to do wonders for our offense, and all are going to contribute right away.
I'm happy about where the offense is going, and the defense being so young makes me happy that they're doing what they're doing. That second half against LSU was impressive.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:25 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I'm happy about where the offense is going,
And where might that be exactly?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:35 pm to finchmeister08
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And where might that be exactly?
Freshman running back going to be All-SEC, Toney emerging as a playmaker, Cleveland looking good when healthy. 100% in the Red Zone, running for fricking touchdowns in the RZ. How long haven't we seen that?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:38 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
There is no time for development. No time for struggling. No time for injuries, suspensions, struggles, nothing. They aren't freshmen and sophomores all over the field. They are supposed to be robots Wired to do everything to perfection, win every game by 45 points, and never do anything outside of football.
It's absolutely ridiculous the way some Gator fans are. They are absolutely toxic. Obviously the team is not what we wanted them to be this year, but it's for a multitude of reasons. We're in a "want it immediately" society that has no patience, no rationality, and no reason. There's no room to struggle and have some growing pains along the way. I'm gonna use a metaphor and try to follow me. Some feel that the program must be born and immediately become 6'3 235 lb and run a 4.4. They ignore the work that it takes to go from being born to being a phenomenal 22 year old athlete. The physically gifted athlete can take over any program and it is immediately great. I'm thinking Bo Jackson. See Urban Meyer.
And sometimes, a player may not be 6'3 235 and have all the physical attributes in the world. Sometimes a player is undersized and takes a little longer to develop, but the player turns into a great player after putting in the work and being given the opportunity to develop. I'm thinking Barry Sanders. See Dabo Swinney.
And other times, a player may have all the physical attributes in the world and be given all the opportunity in the world, and given multiple opportunities but he just simply doesn't have it. I'm thinking Trent Richardson. See Will Muschamp.
I like to think we have a player that needs the time to develop. I believe in Coach Mac. I'm sure many can say they believed in Will Muschamp too, but I do think we've seen the foundations of what can be a special program put in place by Mac. I say we allow him to develop this program and see where he takes it. Especially since he's seemed to develop a knack for recruiting. We may have a Trent Richardson on our hands, but what if we have a Barry Sanders?
It's absolutely ridiculous the way some Gator fans are. They are absolutely toxic. Obviously the team is not what we wanted them to be this year, but it's for a multitude of reasons. We're in a "want it immediately" society that has no patience, no rationality, and no reason. There's no room to struggle and have some growing pains along the way. I'm gonna use a metaphor and try to follow me. Some feel that the program must be born and immediately become 6'3 235 lb and run a 4.4. They ignore the work that it takes to go from being born to being a phenomenal 22 year old athlete. The physically gifted athlete can take over any program and it is immediately great. I'm thinking Bo Jackson. See Urban Meyer.
And sometimes, a player may not be 6'3 235 and have all the physical attributes in the world. Sometimes a player is undersized and takes a little longer to develop, but the player turns into a great player after putting in the work and being given the opportunity to develop. I'm thinking Barry Sanders. See Dabo Swinney.
And other times, a player may have all the physical attributes in the world and be given all the opportunity in the world, and given multiple opportunities but he just simply doesn't have it. I'm thinking Trent Richardson. See Will Muschamp.
I like to think we have a player that needs the time to develop. I believe in Coach Mac. I'm sure many can say they believed in Will Muschamp too, but I do think we've seen the foundations of what can be a special program put in place by Mac. I say we allow him to develop this program and see where he takes it. Especially since he's seemed to develop a knack for recruiting. We may have a Trent Richardson on our hands, but what if we have a Barry Sanders?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:43 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You’re happy about 12 attempts in 5 games? 9 of which were TDs.
ETA: just to compare
Team/Attempts
Bama/31
Clemson/20
Penn St/27
Washington/31
Georgia/23
ETA 2: (125 total points scored - 29 FG/XP - 18 defensive scores) / 5 games = 15.6 offensive pts/game. Yikes.
ETA: just to compare
Team/Attempts
Bama/31
Clemson/20
Penn St/27
Washington/31
Georgia/23
ETA 2: (125 total points scored - 29 FG/XP - 18 defensive scores) / 5 games = 15.6 offensive pts/game. Yikes.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:06 am to finchmeister08
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You’re happy about 12 attempts in 5 games? 9 of which were TDs.
Would you like a comparative result from Muschamp's offense?
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Bama/31
Yep, Bama's a great comparison, a coach who has already built a dynasty around a great offense.
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Georgia/23
They played 2 FCS teams -- yikes.
We had a year before McElwain came where we were 69% in the Red Zone.
Goddamn right I'm happy that any time we get into the Red Zone more often than not it's a touchdown.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 12:09 am
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:28 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Kentucky/20
Arkansas/20
Ole Miss/18
Miss St/24
FAU/26 - lulz first yr head coach
USF/33 - **
Texas/23 - **
These are just attempts. I didn’t even look at percentages. But it’s amazing that these “lower tier” teams can reach the end zone more times than Florida can. Sure, 100% is great but is 1/1 really the same as 20/20?
Arkansas/20
Ole Miss/18
Miss St/24
FAU/26 - lulz first yr head coach
USF/33 - **
Texas/23 - **
These are just attempts. I didn’t even look at percentages. But it’s amazing that these “lower tier” teams can reach the end zone more times than Florida can. Sure, 100% is great but is 1/1 really the same as 20/20?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:36 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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They played 2 FCS teams
Wrong. Name them.
Don't forget that FU struggled with Tennessee.
Don't forget we beat them 41-0 at their house.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:41 am to finchmeister08
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Kentucky/20
Weird, we beat them. It's almost as if attempts has no correlation with your statistics cherry picking.
If we had played an Eastern Kentucky, Southern Miss, Eastern Michigan and Mizzou our stats might look better.
We lost our Cupcake game, we played a top ten defense in the first week, and a bunch of other teams that seemed to do well against us but soon thereafter collapsed.
1/1 is not better than 20/20, but 100% is still 100%, when the last few years before he had stepped on campus hadn't been anywhere near the touchdown production. We look pretty well coached in short yardage (that isn't passing) pickup that even in Muschamp's offense never seemed to work.
Can you name a few receivers better than Cleveland from the last seven years?
Than Callaway?
Can you name a running back that was better than Malik Davis in the last decade?
Can't wait to get the new offensive weapons next year.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:43 am to UGADawg912
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Wrong. Name them.
Don't forget that FU struggled with Tennessee.
Don't forget we beat them 41-0 at their house.
My bad, some nameless team that just recently jumped to division 1. Would you prefer cupcakes?
And Tennessee gave up on the season after the loss at Florida, that you think otherwise is kind of silly. They got their backs and hearts broken in Gainesville.
You guys looked pretty good at against Vanderbilt, but they played a way more conservative game against Georgia -- another team that got beat down by playing 4 ranked teams in a row and Georgia playing them last.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:21 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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My bad, some nameless team that just recently jumped to division 1. Would you prefer cupcakes?
App State is a nameless team now?
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And Tennessee gave up on the season after the loss at Florida, that you think otherwise is kind of silly.
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You guys looked pretty good at against Vanderbilt, but they played a way more conservative game against Georgia -- another team that got beat down by playing 4 ranked teams in a row and Georgia playing them last.
If you don't believe in the hype like some fellow gator fans, then ban bet me. If you are the better team you should win WLOCP. If you lose, then ban yourself for 1 year. Unless you are scared. I may actually be doing them a favor.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 2:48 am
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:30 am to atlgator
Dude Meyer came from Utah and never coached in the SE prior to being UFs coach. Zook was in the NFL 5 straight years before coming to UF. Miami and FSU were both at their peaks along with AUB, UGA and UT during the zook years. No problem for either. Mac was at BAMA FOR 4 YEARS! Mac was gone for 3 years. He hired bad recruiters in multiple spots. Seider is his best recruiter hands down. Stop the excuses. You either can sell or you cant. Last cycle he got bailed out by getting Robinson, Lemons, and Slaton to qualify. This class looks good but it may fall apart with this shite display of a team. He's had 3 frickING YEARS TO FIX THE OFFENSE.WE SIT AT #103 IN YEAR 3!!!!! UF WAS NOT REBUILDING!!! This class looks good on OFFENSE but complete shite on Defense. This team has regressed in talent and depth on top of this staffs poor coaching.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 2:42 am
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:46 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Those teams did well against us because we're on their level coaching and talent wise. UT eeked out wins against GT and UMass. UK almost got beat by Eastern Michigan. The east as 3 team's without an SEC win so far. UGA is going to kill this team. If you think otherwise you haven't paid attention to how well KS has recruited and how disciplined they play. We're the exact opposite. Kirby already has as many wins against the top 25 as Mac does.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 2:59 am
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:50 am to UGADawg912
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App State is a nameless team now?
Are you saying they're good? Their one possession game with Texas State (1 - 5) makes me think they're not a cupcake.
You got me there.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:21 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Would you like a comparative result from Muschamp's offense?
Lets do this:
2011: #85 in RZ O.32 TDs TD 48%. 37 attempts
2012: #71 in RZ O. 24 TDs 52% TD. 46 attempts
2013: #101. 19 TDs 44% TDs. 43 attempts
2014: #66. 26 TDs 59% 44 attempts
Mac:
2015: #86 29 TDs. 56% 51 attempts
2016: #112. 21 TDs 50% 42 attempts
2017: #108. 9 TDs 75% 12 attempts
WMs stayed even as far as trips to the RZ. Macs have fallen off a cliff. He had a better RZ offense than the offensive guru. Lol
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 3:23 am
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:30 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Are you saying they're good? Their one possession game with Texas State (1 - 5) makes me think they're not a cupcake. You got me there.
So I take that as a no on the ban bet?
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