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re: Same as Muschamp, time for change
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:11 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:11 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The playcalling last week was not the problem. Franks had more than a few chances to make plays and simply didn't.
So in your esteemed opinion, do Mac and Nuss shoulder any of the responsibility for Franks' development or lack thereof? He was a high 4* recruit, and the #4/5 overall Pro-Style QB if I'm reading his recruiting record correctly (side note: wtf is 247's new formatting about... it's a damn abortion compared to what it was before). In the same recruiting class, USC took a younger Jake Bentley and seems to have had success putting him in situations to have some success. They have a categorically worse roster than UF, pretty sure even *if* we account for the current suspensions and injuries.
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Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:21 pm to fibonaccisquared
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So in your esteemed opinion, do Mac and Nuss shoulder any of the responsibility for Franks' development or lack thereof? He was a high 4* recruit, and the #4/5 overall Pro-Style QB if I'm reading his recruiting record correctly (side note: wtf is 247's new formatting about... it's a damn abortion compared to what it was before). In the same recruiting class, USC took a younger Jake Bentley and seems to have had success putting him in situations to have some success. They have a categorically worse roster than UF, pretty sure even *if* we account for the current suspensions and injuries.
Franks has always been a work in progress, he was a decent high school quarterback who played more ''backyard'' style ball.
Kind of like raw ore, he needs a lot of refinement that isn't going to happen in 5 games.
Similarly, without our top 3 receivers in the game, it is a lot of responsibility for the kid but the plays were there for him to be successful. The coaches literally can't see for him, and he took full responsibility (as he should have) for having receivers open all over the field and not being able to hit them.
The coaches did a great job preparing us for A&M, held them to the lowest amount of yards and points (outside of Alabama) all year and got us more yards than Alabama.
I didn't think he would be ready this year and wanted Del Rio to start -- and he looked much better (outside of what some Gators will say on the forum).
He'll be okay in a year, but I knew he wouldn't be able to just drive us down the field for first downs to win a game. Two weeks in a row he's had the chance, and both weeks he looked completely lost. He does things that are bad in Peewee leagues, so him not doing so might just be panic.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:48 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Who was it that threw that long TD at the end of the Tennessee game to win it ?
Who had more yards on lesss attempts , the better TD to Int ratio and better QB rating in the Kentucky game ? It's not the guy you keep hyping up . The team played better with Del Rio because he gives them a coaching voice to help them that they don't get from the staff. Del Rio is the best coach on the team and he is one of the players . Franks has admitted that he has issues . Does that sound like a guy who doesn't want to be coached up ? Compare that to Mac who is the head coach and keeps blaming players for the team losing . If the players are not good enough then it's Macs fault for not getting better players.
Who had more yards on lesss attempts , the better TD to Int ratio and better QB rating in the Kentucky game ? It's not the guy you keep hyping up . The team played better with Del Rio because he gives them a coaching voice to help them that they don't get from the staff. Del Rio is the best coach on the team and he is one of the players . Franks has admitted that he has issues . Does that sound like a guy who doesn't want to be coached up ? Compare that to Mac who is the head coach and keeps blaming players for the team losing . If the players are not good enough then it's Macs fault for not getting better players.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:38 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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He'll be okay in a year, but I knew he wouldn't be able to just drive us down the field for first downs to win a game. Two weeks in a row he's had the chance, and both weeks he looked completely lost. He does things that are bad in Peewee leagues, so him not doing so might just be panic.
Just to be clear, that is a no then... you don't believe that Mac or Nuss deserve any criticism for their inability to develop him to be a serviceable QB (note: not necessarily "good" or even "the best on the roster")... Because I'd agree that your defensive staff certainly game planned both LSU and aTm reasonably well... the points totals bare that out as well. Dialing up plays is more than strictly getting receivers open in space, it's teaching your RSFr QB how to read the field, the play and when to pull the trigger... I'd say in that area, your staff didn't get him ready... You can put that on execution if you'd like, but I think it's passing the buck to a degree. Hell, you averaged 5+ YPC in the run game... I know a big chunk of that likely came from the one busted play that Franks ran (dunno where that drive was when he started the run, but I remember it ending around the ten... guessing 60+ yard run? - which would still put you at 4.3ish YPC). Was only able to catch part of the game as we had our own going on, but from a pure playcalling balance perspective, it seems like 60/40 run/pass might should have been pushed farther given the success in the run game and the lack of faith/trust in Franks' ability to deliver the ball through the air.
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decent high school quarterback who played more ''backyard'' style ball
This seems to mesh well with "high 4* QB" who was the first QB invited to the Elite 11 in 2015...
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Four years from now, when this group enters the prime of their college careers — and for some, begin to think about an NFL future – we may view Franks as the best quarterback in the class. There's one thing that stands out after two days: While he's been labeled by each major recruiting site as a dual-threat quarterback, Franks is nothing of the sort. He's definitely agile enough to make plays with his legs, but it's as a passer that his talent is most evident. "He's a passer," Dilfer said. "I'm going to freak out if anybody calls him a dual-threat athlete. This kid can freaking pass. I think he could be as good as anybody."
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:42 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Just to be clear, that is a no then... you don't believe that Mac or Nuss deserve any criticism for their inability to develop him to be a serviceable QB
What happened with Eason?
Do you blame Kirby Smart for that? Or was he just not living up to his hype? It happens. Want me to post what people thought of Eason before he stepped on campus??
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:46 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Rumor is Eason will go back to the westcoast. Wash St perhaps?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:57 pm to dbuchanon
My point, for a Georgia fan, is why their 5* Sophomore quarterback with experience isn't playing right now. Was he developed poorly last year? Does it lie with the coaches?
Or did he just not live up to his hype?
Or did he just not live up to his hype?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 3:00 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I think overhyped. He didnt do much to impress me even though he played as a Fr.
I never saw a game where i thought man, hes gonna be a handfull next yr
I never saw a game where i thought man, hes gonna be a handfull next yr
Posted on 10/17/17 at 3:58 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You insulting Georgia's staff about Eason but sticking up for Mac for not being able to teach Franks is laughable. Georgia has went 2 straight seasons with true freshmen QBs that have been service able but Mac can't do it with a redshirt freshmen?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 4:24 pm to tjv305
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Georgia has went 2 straight seasons with true freshmen QBs that have been service able but Mac can't do it with a redshirt freshmen?
Georgia went 7 - 5 in regular season play last year, hoss.
This year Chubb is healthy and they have more depth at backs, which makes it easy. He looks good because his backs are All-American, NFL style backs.
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You insulting Georgia's staff about Eason but sticking up for Mac for not being able to teach Franks is laughable.
It's not funny that the irony escapes you -- I'm not saying Smart is to blame for Eason at all. I'm saying that Eason, like Franks, has been a bust so far. Eason looked terrible this season, too, is that on their coaching staff?
I don't think so, I just don't think Eason is ready.
Swing and a miss, partner.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 4:50 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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What happened with Eason?
He got injured after winning the job in the offseason over a guy who is currently leading the SEC in QB efficiency as a true freshman? He broke records for performance by a true freshman at UGA last year?
Fromm has simply been *more* effective than what we saw of Eason last year and at this point it would be ridiculous to bench him. Nothing that you've seen from this year would give a meaningful conclusion that the staff has failed to help him develop. Can we compare Eason's year 1 to Franks' year 1... hell, you even get a redshirt season for Franks and Eason still looks like the better QB last season than any performance that you've gotten from Franks.
I'm sure this sounded like a better insult in your head... you really do make this easy.
Since you won't say it explicitly but won't refute it either, I think we can now all assume that you are saying that Mac and Nuss deserve zero criticism for their development of Franks thus far.
Otherwise, continue to dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge... it's amusing.Posted on 10/17/17 at 5:01 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I'm sure this sounded like a better insult in your head...
It wasn't an insult.
As for Fromm:
Life's a whole frick of a lot easier when you have two 5* running backs and a stable of other RBs who can move the ball.
Fromm had his best game against Missouri (as will every team in the SEC this year), but aside from that his numbers were the exact same -- while having his top-playmakers in the game, which Franks can't say.
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Fromm has simply been *more* effective than what we saw of Eason last year
Eason wasn't lighting the world up -- he wasn't doing so bad, but he wasn't doing great. My point is: Eason is worse than Fromm, yes?
Is that because the coaches aren't doing well with him, or simply because Fromm is better?
Once again, none of you dumbfricks have understood that it's not an indictment against Kirby, nor Eason -- simply stating that from time to time, guys don't live up to their hype.
It's bizarre watching you parry invisible attackers, standing over their corpses and claiming victory ''SO EASY...defeating that argument you never made.''
Posted on 10/17/17 at 5:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Georgia went 7 - 5 in regular season play last year, hoss.
100% on the QB... obviously. It's like you take classes in making illogical conclusions... He made freshman mistakes. He also made winning or *should have been* winning plays last year against Mizzou and UT, and countless other solid plays throughout the season. He had stinkers, sure... but he did show that he can QB at this level... we're lucky to have him on the roster, and most UF fans would give their left nut to have him over any QB on your roster at present.
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This year Chubb is healthy and they have more depth at backs, which makes it easy. He looks good because his backs are All-American, NFL style backs.
We had the same Sony Michel last season, Chubb played nearly all year... is he more healthy? Absolutely... but the difference is we seem to have figured out how to make teams respect and/or pay for the lack of respect for the pass.
I love that you want to compare Eason's true freshman season to Franks' redshirt freshman season, and yet think the development should be identical. Eason not starting now is a product of an injury and another guy *also* developed by our coaching staff excelling... enjoy that for a moment... You've had 2 offseasons with Franks and haven't been able to get the same level of production as we have with either of our true freshmen. Swing... and a miss.
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Eason looked terrible this season, too
So in this vast sample size you're drawing from, tell me what about Eason has looked terrible? I mean, if we're saying the sample size is sufficient, he's at a 57% completion percentage which is an improvement from his freshman season...
Or you could admit that you haven't seen enough to gauge where is his yet this year if we're being honest. Are you judging based on the delayed CB blitz that he took from the blindside that caused a fumble? How about going back in the game, going 3/3 and jumping on a fumble by the 4/5th string RB? He's been fine... he simply isn't going to unseat a QB that's gone 7-0 at this point without something major happening... that's not on Eason or the coaches... we'd be stupid to make a change and you'd flip your shite if your coaches did it as well. You really are a sad little man... and your astounding lack of football knowledge not withstanding, an absolutely terrible poster. I can understand where your contempt for TJ comes from... for all his flaws, he's either a categorically more intelligent poster than you or at a minimum he's simply more honest with himself. You could learn a lot from him rather than strictly listening to your echo-chamber colleagues.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 5:18 pm to fibonaccisquared
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You really are a sad little man
Says the Georgia fan on the Florida forum.
To the rest: I'm. Not. Criticising. Kirby.
It's a way to show how stupid your logic is.
Franks is making underclassmen mistakes, Eason, arguably, is a better quarterback than Franks -- not because anyone is getting coached up better at this level, but for what they had at the last level. Franks was *always* a chore. He wasn't supposed to start this year, that's why we had another transfer behind him just in case he failed.
I'm not indicting any fricking coach, you goddamn idiot.
I'm just saying recruits don't live up to their hype. That's it! Nothing more.
And I'm sorry but you guys lost to Vanderbilt at home, got crushed by Ole Miss and had an embarrassing loss to us with Luke Del Rio.
Eason didn't look better than Del Rio.
He was a walk-on.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 5:19 pm to fibonaccisquared
Lets talk about that high level of production
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Passing ypg of Fromm so far. 1162 yds in 7 games. 166 yards a game. The 2 5 star RBs are carrying the offense, clearly. Fromm is doing enough to help while not losing the games. Stop acting like hes this superstar QB. Playing well? Yes. But the fact is UGAs passing attack is near the bottom.
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Passing ypg of Fromm so far. 1162 yds in 7 games. 166 yards a game. The 2 5 star RBs are carrying the offense, clearly. Fromm is doing enough to help while not losing the games. Stop acting like hes this superstar QB. Playing well? Yes. But the fact is UGAs passing attack is near the bottom.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 5:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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It wasn't an insult.
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insult: a disrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action
So would you say that your intent was to show respect for Eason's level of achievement last season or detract from it? You can backpedal if you want, but I'm pretty sure anyone reading your general commentary throughout this thread knew what you were attempting to do...
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Life's a whole frick of a lot easier when you have two 5* running backs and a stable of other RBs who can move the ball.
Did we not have two 5* running backs last year and 2 of our 3 current back up running backs last season? New coaches, new scheme, none of that could have had any impact on the success or lack thereof in year one, right?
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Fromm had his best game against Missouri (as will every team in the SEC this year), but aside from that his numbers were the exact same -- while having his top-playmakers in the game, which Franks can't say.
Fromm threw for the most *yards* in this game, but approximately 2/3 of our plays are RPOs... the ratio of run/pass is going to be determined based on how the defense plays us... I wouldn't expect you to be able to understand that though I guess. He's still making decisions, reading defenses, and making the plays as needed... We have the highest 3rd down conversion rate in the SEC and top 5 in the country... that's pretty unreal for a freshman QB, regardless of the total number of passing attempts in a game.
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Eason wasn't lighting the world up -- he wasn't doing so bad, but he wasn't doing great. My point is: Eason is worse than Fromm, yes?
Is that because the coaches aren't doing well with him, or simply because Fromm is better?
Once again, none of you dumbfricks have understood that it's not an indictment against Kirby, nor Eason -- simply stating that from time to time, guys don't live up to their hype.
Based on limited sample size, no one knows if Eason in 2017 is worse than Fromm in 2017 at this point, but what we do know is it would be ridiculous to screw with the dynamic... My hope has been that we'd find ways to get Eason more playing time, but it doesn't seem to be the intent... I'm wondering if that's due to Eason expressing interest to transfer already or something else that we aren't privy to as fans.
Regardless of your opinion on Eason/Fromm skill level, can you not see that we've had *two* true freshman QBs come in and operate the offense at a serviceable level? I don't think it's too much to ask of Mac and Nuss to do the same with a redshirt freshman, but you seem to be willing to give them a pass. Is your intent to give them another 2 years with Corral (assuming he doesn't decommit at this point) as well?
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none of you dumbfricks
It's hilarious that you can't see that you're the lowest common denominator in this argument. No one is arguing that a player can't pan out. What I asked is are you stating that Mac and Nuss deserve *NO* criticism for their inability to prepare Franks to play the position he was recruited to. It's one thing for him to "not light up the world" (a la Eason), but he's been more or less the sole cause of the loss last week according to many of the posts I see on your board. I think that's a lot to put on a player and a free pass being given to guys who make millions collectively. Just seems ridiculous... I'm not asking you whether they should be fired... just are they blameless or is there something that you feel they are or aren't doing that can be criticized, since most of your comments allude to the former. (Irony defined - see: "argument you never made")
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It's bizarre watching you parry invisible attackers, standing over their corpses and claiming victory ''SO EASY...defeating that argument you never made.''
This is a convenient way of sidestepping the fact that you continually make an arse of yourself and every time it's pointed out you vanish... that is a way to be an invisible attacker I suppose... "can't lose an argument if I start arguing something new and don't respond to the old one"... or better yet, take the same argument to another thread and pretend not to see the response...
Posted on 10/17/17 at 5:58 pm to fibonaccisquared
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So would you say that your intent was to show respect for Eason's level of achievement last season or detract from it? You can backpedal if you want, but I'm pretty sure anyone reading your general commentary throughout this thread knew what you were attempting to do...
I...
Man, you're kind of embarrassing yourself. I was talking about the coaching situation, man. Fromm playing over Eason, two five stars, one of them is younger and is playing while the older more experienced quarterback isn't...
It's not Kirby's fault, was what I was saying. Goddamn you went off the deep end.
How I'm taking this conversation:
Calm, cool, collected, without emotion.
How you're taking this conversation:
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:27 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Don't feed the mutts in the cage Straw.
I will wade in and be respectful. I am not acutely aware of Smarts coaching abilities from the viewpoint that UGA fans have. Fromm has a very good arm from the few passes I saw him throw. But remember, Straw is 100% correct that it is much easier being a QB with almost an entire senior/jr defense that stops other teams and hands the ball back to the offense in usually decent field position. The fact that the defense is also coupled with a pair (or more) of very good NFL RBs makes it much easier to throw 8-12 passes in a game.
No two QBs are the same...Franks is almost 6'6" and very skinny. Listed wrongly at 227 lbs. He is gangly and still a little awkward. He has great upside if he learns to stand in the pocket and take hits.
He needs the weight room and training table to be his hangouts. The coaches had to work on his delivery most of 2016...he had an awful windup and it takes time to rid players of it. You don't pour water and get instant QB in most cases, the most successful ones are usually dual threats (not Fromm).
A lot of folks don't understand football and think presto changeo...as did a lot on this board before the season started and wanted Franks as their starter over Del Rio. He wasn't/isn't ready to play SEC football but has the talent to succeed if he learns to be patient in the pocket.
Our defense will keep us in the game dawgs...how long? I don't know. The offense has to rest them.
I will wade in and be respectful. I am not acutely aware of Smarts coaching abilities from the viewpoint that UGA fans have. Fromm has a very good arm from the few passes I saw him throw. But remember, Straw is 100% correct that it is much easier being a QB with almost an entire senior/jr defense that stops other teams and hands the ball back to the offense in usually decent field position. The fact that the defense is also coupled with a pair (or more) of very good NFL RBs makes it much easier to throw 8-12 passes in a game.
No two QBs are the same...Franks is almost 6'6" and very skinny. Listed wrongly at 227 lbs. He is gangly and still a little awkward. He has great upside if he learns to stand in the pocket and take hits.
He needs the weight room and training table to be his hangouts. The coaches had to work on his delivery most of 2016...he had an awful windup and it takes time to rid players of it. You don't pour water and get instant QB in most cases, the most successful ones are usually dual threats (not Fromm).
A lot of folks don't understand football and think presto changeo...as did a lot on this board before the season started and wanted Franks as their starter over Del Rio. He wasn't/isn't ready to play SEC football but has the talent to succeed if he learns to be patient in the pocket.
Our defense will keep us in the game dawgs...how long? I don't know. The offense has to rest them.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:47 pm to reel_gator8
You and straws need medical help. 
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:51 pm to TJGator1215
I guess you don't lump me in with them?
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