re: Reel...(and reflections)

The QB is the most important position on the field, so when he performs terribly time after time after time and again, he is going to receive the most scrutiny.

All QB's deal with pressure. You think this is 7v7 with no OL/DL? A lot of them just deal with it a lot better than Jeff Driskel.

Some more facts for you, since you keep ignoring them...

Total QBR Broken Down

Jeff Driskel LAST in SEC

Jeff Driskel in his DREAM season

Jeff Driskel 127 of 128

Posting the drops this season (I'm going to be watching football all day today, but I love it. )

EMU (Not going to post anything about this game.)

Robinson - Good throw. (Kentucky)

Pittman - Perfect throw. (Kentucky)

Burton - Good throw. (Kentucky) Third and long.

PI botches would be completion.

Dunbar - Decent throw. (Kentucky)

Robinson - Good throw. (Kentucky) Third and long.

Robinson - Slips on his route but is fortunate for a lucky bounce.

PI botches would be touchdown.

That's 6 drops in one game and two PI's that took away completions due to good receiver/quarterback play.

Dunbar - Decent/Good throw, misjudged ball (Alabama) 3rd and 6.

Dunbar - Perfect throw. (Alabama) 3rd and 8.

Debose - Perfect throw -- sun was the problem. (Alabama)

Robinson - Bad throw, but two hands on it. (Alabama)

PI botches perfect throw, good receiver movement by Robinson. (Alabama)

Burton - Perfect throw. (Alabama)

11 in two games.

Debose - Perfect Throw (LSU)

PI botches perfect throw. (LSU)

Robinson - Good throw, good defensive play knocks it out of his hands. (LSU)

Jessie Palmer -- receiver has to help his quarterback, he's not sprinting (LSU game, LINK mark 4:30 plus) -- would have been a PI if Robinson was sprinting.

Worton - Good throw. (LSU)

Westbrook - Perfect throw, historic drop that lost us the game. (LSU)

Pittman - Decent throw, but hot. (LSU)

16 in three games.

Robinson - Perfect throw. (Tennessee)

Robinson - Perfect throw. (Tennessee)

Burton - Good/Decent throw (PI added on). (Tennessee)

Robinson - Perfect throw, bizarre read. (Tennessee)

Dunbar - Decent throw. (Tennessee)

Pittman - Perfect throw. (Tennessee)

Pittman - Decent throw. (Tennessee) All of these are in the first half.

Westbrook - Good throw, dropped for interception. (Tennessee)

24 in 4 games.

Clay Burton - Good throw, but good defense. (Mizzou)

Defensive holding negates a decent throw. (Mizzou)

PI negates a good throw. (Mizzou)

Fulwood - Decent throw. (Mizzou)

Fulwood - Good throw. (Mizzou) -- hey, it's one of those third and shorts while throwing you were talking about.

28 drops in 5 games. And you're asking for consistency at quarterback?

I did a lot of research (happily, though), I watch a lot of things objectively. I don't think consistency at quarterback is our issue, gentlemen.

Any "decent throw" isn't a good throw.

There is 8 of those that I counted.

20 in 5 games, yeah that is not very good drops wise. However, turning the ball over is the biggest problem with Driskel. You can point and whine about his surroundings, but he touches the ball every play, and he is giving it to the opposition way too often. That is the bottom line.

What happens when Treon plays? How many turnovers?

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Any "decent throw" isn't a good throw.

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Which is why it's decent -- if you get two hands on it, it's supposed to be caught. That's how receivers are graded, and it's not always going to hit your chest or right in the hands.

You know, you have to work sometimes to help your quarterback out. Goddamn can you imagine receivers bitching about throws that aren't perfect in the NFL?

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20 in 5 games, yeah that is not very good drops wise. However, turning the ball over is the biggest problem with Driskel.

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Which could be mitigated really, really easily -- see the Georgia game. We're not asking Treon to do the same as Driskel, and if we did you know what would happen? Turnovers. They're not high-percentage plays, and the coaches have been way too stubborn in adapting.

If we played the same gameplan against Georgia for the majority of the season, we may have actually destroyed LSU and maybe even Mizzou.

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What happens when Treon plays? How many turnovers?

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He's already had 3 I think -- but his fumbles haven't been his fault.

His interception...well, that wasn't good.

In the Mizzou game he just flat out missed everyone, which was his fault.

He also should have been intercepted when he threw into 4 defenders in the end zone but was fortunate Westbrook remembered how to catch and bailed him out. It was poor technique, but, when your team fights for the ball, you have better chances.

He also had a fumble in the Mizzou game but it was from a busted block scheme by Matt Jones who lazily blocked a blitzing linebacker who blasted Treon.

The Georgia game he wasn't asked to do anything -- he passed a total of 6 times.

He also fumbled an exchange but I've already said I think Matt Jones is the problem in those plays. If it just happened to Driskel, then you might have an argument, but it also happened with Treon so I think the HB is the problem on the read-option handoffs.

But -- asking the difference between Driskel and Treon is a little specious. Firstly: Treon hasn't played dick and hasn't done anything with impact. He played mop up duty against Missouri and threw his only interception and should have had a second if not for help from his receiver.

Against Georgia he didn't do anything at all. 27 yards passing on 3 completions and six attempts.

Against Tennessee, he took the ball over from near the red zone, the best field position we had all game and -- we won off of a long distance field goal.

Let's see how Treon plays, but until he actually does something in a game we can't compare -- especially since Driskel has been asked to play far more difficult games.

Kentucky (they're not bad), Alabama (in Tuscaloosa), LSU and Mizzou =/= an uninspired Georgia and running the red zone offense against Tennessee.

How do you know Treon would turn it over like Driskel? Not very many QB's do so.

You are proving my point, Driskel is a turnover machine, and you just basically admitted to that by saying "if they asked Treon to do the same things, he would turn it over as well". That is a ridiculous statement, but it proves my entire point. You CANNOT turn the ball over at QB, and Jeff Driskel turns it over way too much.

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Straws, here is come "context" for you.

An actual SEC QB breaks down Driskel's play

Even at the end, Woodson says he has the "tools" to be a good QB. It is year 4 and we are still waiting on the "tools" to come to fruition. He doesn't have "it" as a QB. It shouldn't take someone 4 years to develop to become a "competent" QB.

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This is from the Kentucky game -- our second game of the season.

https://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/91833/florida-receivers-cant-seem-to-catch-on

is from last week.

I'll highlight some stuff.

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Drops are a big part of the problem, but so are tipped balls that end up in opponents' hands.

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Florida quarterback Jeff Driskel has thrown 10 interceptions in his last five games, and Muschamp has been adamant in saying "it's not all Jeff Driskel's fault."

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Former Florida offensive coordinator Brent Pease, now a wide receivers coach for Washington, recently said the coaching turnover at the wide receiver position is a key element of the Gators' struggles.

"It's hard. There's no consistency," he said. "You've got to feel for the kids, what they're being taught and what their development is."

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If we're assigning blame -- there's plenty to go around. From the receiving corps to the Oline (I've gone back and watched Driskel's protection and it's unbelievably bad.), the running backs to the playcalling.

The offense as a whole is a mess.

I just hope that we play smarter football going forward, this was an obvious problem after the Tennessee game.

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How do you know Treon would turn it over like Driskel? Not very many QB's do so.

You are proving my point, Driskel is a turnover machine, and you just basically admitted to that by saying "if they asked Treon to do the same things, he would turn it over as well". That is a ridiculous statement, but it proves my entire point. You CANNOT turn the ball over at QB, and Jeff Driskel turns it over way too much.

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You...need some serious help in logic.

I'm saying any quarterback forced into situations like 3rd and 9+ will not produce fantastic numbers.

It's a statistically low situation, same with bombs. A lot of missed throws come from throwing long -- which rarely actually connect.

Protecting the ball and running the spread comes from quick passes that open the game up later, not long passes that open up the short game sooner.

It's fundamentally poor playcalling.

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Uninspired Georgia...

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They practically gave up after the fake field goal and got smashed at the line. They thought they were going to win the game easily, and when they didn't they gave up.

It's a common theme in college ball.


EDIT: Several people in this thread have already pointed out that a simple adjustment would have stopped our entire offense. They just herped in this game, and it's probably from overconfidence, which left them uninspired when their bread and butter didn't work.

But don't take my word for it, just think benching Driskel and running 60 times a game is actually a fantastic strategy, foolproof.

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They weren't uninspired. The defense adjusted and held Chubb to 50 something yards after the 1st quarter. That was UGA's gameplan. The offense destroyed their defense for the better part of 3 quarters.

So now Driskel's shortcomings are on Roper as well. Everyone but Driskel himself. Amazing.

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I would love for you to actually contend my way of thinking instead of just constructing straw dragons to slay.

I'll highlight my premises.

1. Throwing deep constantly with little success is a poor strategy, and should be adjusted.

2. The spread is meant to have the run game subsidize the throwing game and vice versa. That means that short passes on the edge open up lanes in the middle, and similarly, runs up the middle open up the edge.

3. If you have a quarterback who is struggling, or receivers who are dropping balls, you need to recognize and adapt -- before the Georgia game which is deep down the road.

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So now Driskel's shortcomings are on Roper as well. Everyone but Driskel himself. Amazing.

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I've said several times that Driskel has made bad decisions. He's not bereft of culpability, but neither is the rest of the team.

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If JD could throw the deep ball, this wouldn't be an issue. He has overthrown/underthrown the WR several times, way more than he actually gives them a chance to catch.

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Dude, no one throws the deep ball with great consistency. I'd say, statistically, it's a 25% completion rate if not lower. If it's a good throw, a defender can still stop it.

It's unbelievably rare to have such a beautiful pass that the defender doesn't have a chance.

Similarly, I also posted earlier of Jesse Palmer remarking how Florida receivers are prone to jogging routes and not helping Driskel out by sprinting.

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Correct. What does this have to do with anything? You also have to keep the safeties out of the box by throwing over the top. When there's 11 guys within 8-9 yds of the LOS because your QB cannot throw down field accurately, your offense cannot do any of what you just said above with consistency.

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The problem is -- they're not taking the chances later on in the game when the box is getting crowded. We're taking chances in the beginning of the game when it's almost certain that it'll be two deep to avoid explosive, big plays in the very beginning.

Most of our deep passes come in the first half, and with our possession tendencies it's just not a wise decision.

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As I just posted, the offense cannot do anything with success if there's 11 guys that close to the LOS. Roper has done fine for the most part. I have disliked a few of his situational calls, and questioned a few personnel decisions, but overall, he has done a decent job with how much the offense turns it over.

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I don't think Roeper is bad, I never said that -- I think he's just late to the game adjusting. We needed a new offensive model 3 games ago after the loss to Bama.

That about him is bad, but I like the direction of the offense. We needed to establish a power/bounce out running game for a long time, and now that we finally have it we'll force teams to crowd the box and maybe loosen it up down field.

But, I think it would be phantasmagorically difficult to say that he should have just kept making Driskel throw deep over and over again when it simply wasn't producing results -- regardless if they were bad throws or lazy receivers.