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re: Reel...(and reflections)
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:01 pm to boXerrumble
Posted on 11/4/14 at 4:01 pm to boXerrumble
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Well, again... The Miami game last year, the Tennessee pick 6, the whole Alabama game, the whole Tennessee game, the end of the LSU game.
He was unbelievably accurate his first year as a starter -- because we didn't throw that often.
Even further: A lot of his problems were fixed when he moved to the shotgun. They're just not even close to being similar. Imagine what would happen if we put Harris in shotgun and asked him to throw every down.
I'll wager he'd look pretty bad, too.
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But I do think his inconsistent performances demoralized the team enough to where a new face was needed at QB regardless of how well Driskel was playing at times.
I agree with this and made a thread dedicated to it -- but it doesn't change that it's aggravating that a team gives up on someone when Driskel didn't give up.
I never saw him quit, never saw him be lazy and saw him try his hardest to make things work.
A lot of his turnovers can be attributed to bad route running, bad catching (how many tips have been intercepted?) and extremely bad protection.
I'm not sure about the other years -- but this one for sure there are a lot of plays where he could have gotten an ounce of effort and it wouldn't have been a turnover.
Not to say he or the other players are bad, but he doesn't look anywhere near as bad as this if:
1. The coaches were smarter.
2. The players tried harder.
3. The atmosphere was different around Florida.
And finally: They didn't support him after Murphy left before this year even started. They felt it belonged to him (although he didn't do well in Muschamp's offense either), and so I do think they just wanted a change.
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Posted on 11/4/14 at 6:07 pm to slayerxing
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slayerxing
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The team just didn't seem to like Driskel. Ever.
Slay...this isn't exactly directed at you, because a lot of folks have questioned the teams efforts with Driskel in at QB.
I somewhat disagree with this assumption and will point to the LSU game when Treon couldn't play...Driskel ran for a fist down and was gang tackled near the sidelines and a LOT of teammates came in and push the LSU players away and were happy with the results of the run...I saw a team that considered #6 a valued member of the team.
On the flip side...Driskel isn't a vocal leader ...but either is Treon as a true frosh. It helps to have a strong voice at qb or at least one who leads the team by examples.
Driskel had one pick against the SCUM last year that wasn't his fault and one that was...we also had a fumble by a RB. In 2012 Driskel protected the ball to a fault...he took sacks because he didn't want to risk being picked. The UGA game in 2012 was when he suffered more turnovers....but he is also blamed for the wildcat qb just dropping the shotgun snap and looking at the ball on the ground and a TE who fumbled at the goal line etc etc.
Back to 2014....since 2012 we have had a stout defense molded by Boom and if we just DONT turn the ball over we are going to win a LOT of games my friends.....why? Because our defense is so good that they can help us score and keep the other team throwing the ball. It aint pretty...unless you are like me and love pads popping....hell...Id love to see us go old school and punt on 3rd down when we are backed up inside our 25 yd line....but it has to be a quick kick and in the old days qbs were usually good at punting.
Straw...no problem....you didn't say anything bad about me...but the knock on Booms defensive prowess and then cursing him sent over the edge and I was going say things I would have regreted...so we move on .
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:05 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
That's all speculation. How do you know players weren't playing hard with Driskel in? Turning the football over is deflating to the TEAM.
You gotta get over this Driskel crap. His era is OVER. It's pointless for you to keep babbling about the others around him, but ignoring the fact that he turns the ball over waaaaaaaay too much.
You gotta get over this Driskel crap. His era is OVER. It's pointless for you to keep babbling about the others around him, but ignoring the fact that he turns the ball over waaaaaaaay too much.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:07 pm to gatordmb89
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That's all speculation.
Then why does every person on this board (save you?) think that the players simply perform better when Treon is the quarterback?
Do they suddenly learn how to catch?
Do they just miraculously stop dropping balls?
Protecting the QB?
Downfield blocking?
Running their run block assignments immaculately?
Everyone and their mother knows the team puts in more effort for Treon than they do for Driskel. In fact, they outright admitted it several times.
"We know he's a freshman so we have to give him more time..."
All's I'm saying is he'd look much different as a QB if his team gave him a chance and stopped playing politics over homie Murphy not getting the nod.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:12 pm to reel_gator8
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Straw...no problem....you didn't say anything bad about me...but the knock on Booms defensive prowess and then cursing him sent over the edge and I was going say things I would have regreted...so we move on .
Regardless of who it was directed toward I was way, way out of line and you didn't deserve being talked to in that way. I would love to move forward, but I think you deserved an apology nonetheless. I actually like you a lot as a poster, and it's nice to have a good guy around the boards to make everyone feel better when we're at our absolute lowest.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:51 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Trust me Straw....we were lower than whale poop after the Mizzou game...even I would have a hard time dressing that game up in Sunday clothes and calling it a picnic.
But you know it was a perfect storm...the kickoff return, punt return, interception return and fumble return that were never against our defense and the other two scores were set up by turnovers. We just got behind in the scoreboard too early and got taken out of our gameplan...much like UGA got taken out of their gameplan once we got up by two scores. You make a team predictable by forcing them to throw and all kinds of bad things happen to that team.
Treon will grow into the position and Im sure the coaches will throw some more and he can get a lot more reps.
Next year I wonder how things play out in the qb derby...we have Driskel & Treon and then Grier will be battling for the spot. Grier needed a r/s to gain weight in the training room and bulk up muscle tone....SEC is a tough place to play.
But you know it was a perfect storm...the kickoff return, punt return, interception return and fumble return that were never against our defense and the other two scores were set up by turnovers. We just got behind in the scoreboard too early and got taken out of our gameplan...much like UGA got taken out of their gameplan once we got up by two scores. You make a team predictable by forcing them to throw and all kinds of bad things happen to that team.
Treon will grow into the position and Im sure the coaches will throw some more and he can get a lot more reps.
Next year I wonder how things play out in the qb derby...we have Driskel & Treon and then Grier will be battling for the spot. Grier needed a r/s to gain weight in the training room and bulk up muscle tone....SEC is a tough place to play.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 4:49 am to reel_gator8
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we were lower than whale poop after the Mizzou game
not a bad way of putting it
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Treon will grow into the position and Im sure the coaches will throw some more and he can get a lot more reps.
Certainly.
As far as the UGA game, I was ecstatic with our running game, obviously. I really want to see how much Treon grows as a QB.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 4:51 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Regardless of who it was directed toward I was way, way out of line and you didn't deserve being talked to in that way. I would love to move forward, but I think you deserved an apology nonetheless. I actually like you a lot as a poster, and it's nice to have a good guy around the boards to make everyone feel better when we're at our absolute lowest.
Did I miss something?
I enjoy everyone's posts here, fwiw
Posted on 11/5/14 at 9:11 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
The QB has been protected all season. Our OL is the best it has been in 4 years this year. once again, talking all about the guys around him and putting less emphasis on HIS play. He was not good this year, not even average. Worst in ALL of CFB in pass efficiency.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 9:56 am to gatordmb89
He's also historically bad on third down.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:41 pm to slayerxing
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He's also historically bad on third down.
When you're consistently in 3rd down and long situations and you throw it on a down when everyone knows you're going to throw it -- it doesn't exactly speak to success.
How many times did we bomb it on first down, run for nothing on second down and have him have to bail us out on third?
And aside from last week, our Oline protection has been miserable -- it's like you guys simply forgot Kentucky and the other teams on our schedule. Not taking sacks =/= perfect protection.
Anyway: If we played Driskel the same way we play Treon, I guarantee we'd win more games and his statistics would look better. No one looks good when your backs average less than your quarterback in a game (like Bama).
The only reason Harris hasn't screwed the pooch yet is because he hasn't been given the chance. Although he's thrown some miserably bad balls, been picked several times and fumbled multiple times as well.
But of course, no one bothers to mention it.
The problem isn't localized to Driskel, and as soon as Harris is forced to throw it more than 6 times in a game we won't know for sure.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 5:39 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You know we were number 1 in the country in fewest sacks allowed until Mizzou game right?
Posted on 11/5/14 at 6:27 pm to olemc999
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You know we were number 1 in the country in fewest sacks allowed until Mizzou game right?
Because of extremely quick passes that gave them no chance -- similarly because of a bunch of Driskel scrambles for first downs.
People are always wondering "why doesn't Driskel check down?", and we've always said: The throw is decided before the snap to simplify the offense and -- make sure that we don't take sacks.
Unfortunately, you need halfway decent receivers for this to work.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 6:50 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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People are always wondering "why doesn't Driskel check down?", and we've always said: The throw is decided before the snap to simplify the offense and -- make sure that we don't take sacks.
Here, just watch the Mizzou game from our quarterback's perspective.
There's some good blocking, but there are some horrible whiffs that have happened pretty much all year -- and if not for a quick release (and an incomplete pass most of the time) they would have been sacks.
Hell, our guys couldn't even hold people to stop them in the Mizzou game (which I know is the OLine's worst performance). But just look at how long the QB holds onto the ball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqFKESJoqHk
Posted on 11/5/14 at 9:29 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
He was 0-4 on 3rd and less than 2 when passing heading into the Mizzou game.
Listen, I get you want to defend him. he's played hard.
But he is not a good QB. Period. Stats and results back that up over multiple seasons.
Listen, I get you want to defend him. he's played hard.
But he is not a good QB. Period. Stats and results back that up over multiple seasons.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 11:21 pm to slayerxing
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He was 0-4 on 3rd and less than 2 when passing heading into the Mizzou game.
Listen, I get you want to defend him. he's played hard.
But he is not a good QB. Period. Stats and results back that up over multiple seasons.
His accuracy was actually one of the best coming into this year. So you're right, stats do matter.
You know what else matters? Dropped balls, which is unaccounted for when everyone blames the quarterback like they blame the deliveryman instead of the kitchen who actually ruined the order.
I know you guys wanna sit here and use him as a scapegoat, but he has not been helped in more ways than one this year. There are tons of balls thrown that if caught we would be looking at an entirely different season.
Not to say that he's fantastic, but he's no where near as bad as people want to make him out to be. I think this is a matter of "easiest solution is the best solution" right now, but we shall see moving forward.
Even so, the stats are marred by lack of effort from the offense as a whole -- whether or not that lies with the quarterback is up for debate, but it happened and was patently obvious.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 7:19 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I didn't say the rest of the team was any good either.
But Jeff's Driskel's stats on third down are BAAAAAAD. His accuracy from prior years was because he wasn't asked to do very much. That much is clear now.
These are his 3rd down stats against SEC competition heading into the LSU game: I haven't updated them since then, but they got even worse the next two games. 4 of the incompletions were drops.
9-28, 120 yards, 4.28 YPA, (32.1% completion), 1 TD, 5 INT (4 first downs)
9 rushes, 10 yards, 1.11 YPA (4 first downs)
In 38 attempts with the ball in Jeff's hands on 3rd down, in SEC play, UF has converted 8 first downs.
8-38. That means, the rest of the team is 6-12 on 3rd down in SEC play.
I'm not attacking the kid personally or anything. He just wasn't a good QB. He couldn't lead, he wasn't vocal, and then his play on the field wasn't enough.
But Jeff's Driskel's stats on third down are BAAAAAAD. His accuracy from prior years was because he wasn't asked to do very much. That much is clear now.
These are his 3rd down stats against SEC competition heading into the LSU game: I haven't updated them since then, but they got even worse the next two games. 4 of the incompletions were drops.
9-28, 120 yards, 4.28 YPA, (32.1% completion), 1 TD, 5 INT (4 first downs)
9 rushes, 10 yards, 1.11 YPA (4 first downs)
In 38 attempts with the ball in Jeff's hands on 3rd down, in SEC play, UF has converted 8 first downs.
8-38. That means, the rest of the team is 6-12 on 3rd down in SEC play.
I'm not attacking the kid personally or anything. He just wasn't a good QB. He couldn't lead, he wasn't vocal, and then his play on the field wasn't enough.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 7:34 am to slayerxing
Updated JEFF DRISKEL third downs stats after Missouri game against SEC teams:
15-43, 34.9%, 173 yards, 1 TD, 7 INT (7 first downs)
13 rushes, 5 yards, (5 first downs)
So in 56 attempts to get a first down with the ball in his hands, UF was a miserable 12-56 on third down or 21.5%. 6 of his missed third downs were on drops. So the stats would have been a bit better in that case, but still no where near "good".
In those same games (UK thru Mizzou) UF was 24-71 on third down (33.8%) overall. Not good.
But the rest of the team was 12-15 on third down attempts when Jeff Driskel didn't have the ball in his hands.
Part of this was a failure of coaching, to not recognize how bad the team performed on third down with the ball in Jeff's hands.
15-43, 34.9%, 173 yards, 1 TD, 7 INT (7 first downs)
13 rushes, 5 yards, (5 first downs)
So in 56 attempts to get a first down with the ball in his hands, UF was a miserable 12-56 on third down or 21.5%. 6 of his missed third downs were on drops. So the stats would have been a bit better in that case, but still no where near "good".
In those same games (UK thru Mizzou) UF was 24-71 on third down (33.8%) overall. Not good.
But the rest of the team was 12-15 on third down attempts when Jeff Driskel didn't have the ball in his hands.
Part of this was a failure of coaching, to not recognize how bad the team performed on third down with the ball in Jeff's hands.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 7:34 am
Posted on 11/6/14 at 7:36 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
And I'm tired of you saying that I'm using him as a scapegoat. I'm not. The whole team has sucked at times this year. It has just sucked MORE when he's the QB.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:46 am to slayerxing
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And I'm tired of you saying that I'm using him as a scapegoat. I'm not. The whole team has sucked at times this year. It has just sucked MORE when he's the QB.
Have you calculated drops at all into your equation?
I mean, as soon as I say drop you can think of at least what, five instances on third and long a perfect pass was delivered that just happened to get dropped?
What about those drops turning into interceptions because they popped up?
And don't say you're not scapegoating, because you clearly are. "It sucks more with him at quarterback..."
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either he sucks as a product of the team or he sucks on his own accord -- and with all of the drops (there have been tons and the announcers have even picked up on it), previous year stats and perfect clutch throws at the goal line it suggests that he's actually not that bad of a QB, he just has a poor supporting cast.
Seriously, watch the tape more often. I know I do.
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