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re: How do you think Spurrier's reaction would be if Mac approached him to be OC?
Posted on 10/25/17 at 6:36 pm to atlgator
Posted on 10/25/17 at 6:36 pm to atlgator
Shh Homer.
Show me proof at UF Mac is a great offensive mind.
Till you can, you are the fricking fool. The shite stain has literally done nothing but fail as an offensive coach every, single, step, of, the, way.
Come on bud. Show me stats that prove Mac is an elite offensive mind. Show me his stats showing he is worth being Spurriers offensive cord. His average offense at Bama that Nuss, Kiffin, and their new guy have all done better at? CSU, where Bobo is every bit as good? Or Fresno State, who plays in a conference where they are one of the top teams because of location.
Yes. What a resume.
Show me proof at UF Mac is a great offensive mind.
Till you can, you are the fricking fool. The shite stain has literally done nothing but fail as an offensive coach every, single, step, of, the, way.
Come on bud. Show me stats that prove Mac is an elite offensive mind. Show me his stats showing he is worth being Spurriers offensive cord. His average offense at Bama that Nuss, Kiffin, and their new guy have all done better at? CSU, where Bobo is every bit as good? Or Fresno State, who plays in a conference where they are one of the top teams because of location.
Yes. What a resume.
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 6:38 pm to Gatorbait2008
Go look up Garrett Grayson and Rashad Higgins college tapes. And Dee Webb at CSU
Go look up the 2009 SEC Championship Game.
Watch those three players and that game, then come back to me and honestly say that Mac is a clueless idiot when it comes to offense.
Your hatred is blinding you.
Go look up the 2009 SEC Championship Game.
Watch those three players and that game, then come back to me and honestly say that Mac is a clueless idiot when it comes to offense.
Your hatred is blinding you.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 6:43 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The last coach lost to teams below .500, and teams below his division.
He also beat three teams with 9 wins or more in his first year (UGA, TENN, OM) with a team that barely scraped 7 the year before he came.
He creamed Georgia last year and beat LSU at home with a broken defense and a backup quarterback.
Which is why Muschamp was fired. Should we be impressive his W/L record is the same, but he just does better at beating bad teams? Yes. What an approval and showing of talent. Your overal point rating. 1/10 - Try again blind man
Like LSU, OM, TENN, UGA, Iowa? Are they not good teams?
Georgia was good neither year, it's why Richt got fired. LSU was good neither year, it's why Les got fired, OM I credited him with, and Iowa had what record again?
Once again. Terrible - 2/10. You really suck at this. Calling teams who's coaches got fired for being bad good teams. How desperate are you?
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You're talking about offensive production and bring up the defense? Well, Muschamp's offensive players are literally ghosts on the field, as they were last year. Only one position has Muschamp players left that actually produce -- TE's.
Mac won with Muschamp's players. Not Mac's offense. See every available stat. No one with half a brain will say the offense was the impressive side of the ball for two years. It was the NFL draft picks a better recruiter had. Point stands. He won because of defense loaded with talent - 2/10 rating
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Totally different systems in totally different leagues. Oh, and Leach's quarterback threw 5 interceptions on their way to getting clubbed the frick to death by California by 5 touchdowns. I also wonder what would happen if they lost all three of their best wide receivers, their quarterback and starting running back if only for one game if it'd end up the same?
Yes a walk on type of QB had a bad game. He was also in the heisman race. Tell me. What player of Mac's has been mentioned in the Heisman race here? Mac has a four star QB, Leach has a nobody. See stats. One is much better on the field. Can't be Mac's fault though. He just recruited, coached, and developed Franks so far. Davis is better than Scarlett, so save the starting RB stuff. Scarlett being out actually helped the offense because Mac had Davis as third string, which means he wouldn't have even had Davis play had Scarlett been on the field. Because as we all know, Mac has no ability to recognize talent on the depth chart. See Grier vs Harris.
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We had more offensive yards than Alabama did... I'll assume that you're also unimpressed with Alabama's production on offense? Done arguing with a dude who thinks McElwain had four recruiting cycles when he hasn't even been here for three years.
So Bama had one bad offensive game. Should we compare every other game vs us in offensive comparison? I don't think you'll enjoy that. 379 yards is below the top fifty average in the country, you saying this is amazing, shows you are blind and completely foolish.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 6:49 pm to atlgator
Mac was great in the 2009 title game I agree.
He was good at lower level programs, he beats teams with less talent. It's his best feature as a coach. He doesn't lose to bad teams.
As a head coach at Florida, once again.
Show me his brilliance?
Please.
Show me where Mac is an amazing offensive mind here at Florida. Or does he get a three year pass for being absolutely awful?
As I said. The man has produced historically bad offenses in a three year span.
Your homerism is blinding you. My hatred just sees reality. Mac, is a shitty offensive coach. Offensive coaches score points. Show me a year Meyer or Spurrier had a year as bad as any of Mac's here? Show me a year Zook did? Show me a single year Leach did at Texas Tech, despite being 9th overall in his tenure in recruiting in conference.
Notice real brilliant minds don't have sub - 100 offenses?
So yes. Mac is a bad offensive coach. HE only knows one system, and has zero ability to adapt his system. Spurrier and Meyer adapted their based on personal. Because they realize flaws and are intelligent enough to adjust to them. Mac, if not running the old style power off tackle has no clue how to function an offense. Has no ability to adapt his offense to personnel. Has zero clue how to beat better, or shite, even hang close with them.
Show me five games his offensive brilliance won for us at UF.
Stop avoiding this, Show me his offensive brilliance at UF.
Let's see it homers. Show me why Mac is even worth an OC spot here at Florida with stats that aren't involving Muschamp's defense(his w/l is almost all because of defense).
He was good at lower level programs, he beats teams with less talent. It's his best feature as a coach. He doesn't lose to bad teams.
As a head coach at Florida, once again.
Show me his brilliance?
Please.
Show me where Mac is an amazing offensive mind here at Florida. Or does he get a three year pass for being absolutely awful?
As I said. The man has produced historically bad offenses in a three year span.
Your homerism is blinding you. My hatred just sees reality. Mac, is a shitty offensive coach. Offensive coaches score points. Show me a year Meyer or Spurrier had a year as bad as any of Mac's here? Show me a year Zook did? Show me a single year Leach did at Texas Tech, despite being 9th overall in his tenure in recruiting in conference.
Notice real brilliant minds don't have sub - 100 offenses?
So yes. Mac is a bad offensive coach. HE only knows one system, and has zero ability to adapt his system. Spurrier and Meyer adapted their based on personal. Because they realize flaws and are intelligent enough to adjust to them. Mac, if not running the old style power off tackle has no clue how to function an offense. Has no ability to adapt his offense to personnel. Has zero clue how to beat better, or shite, even hang close with them.
Show me five games his offensive brilliance won for us at UF.
Stop avoiding this, Show me his offensive brilliance at UF.
Let's see it homers. Show me why Mac is even worth an OC spot here at Florida with stats that aren't involving Muschamp's defense(his w/l is almost all because of defense).
Posted on 10/25/17 at 6:49 pm to Gatorbait2008
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There is nothing impressive about Mac as an offensive coach here at UF. Nothing. It's just bad stat after bad stat after bad stat. He ran off Grier, can't even get play calls in(this is middle school bullshite), doesn't know how many time outs he has, can't game plan, is terrible at half time adjustments, and has relied on very lucky plays for wins. UK, Tenn twice, LSU where they dominated us but one missed coverage won us the game and an amazing goal line stand by Muschamp's defense.
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He has won games hiding behind defense. Now he doesn't have it, and he is 3-3, and as close to 1-5 as he is 5-1, and the 1-5 is only because he had very lucky finishes that his coaching had nothing to do with(he didn't even call Cleveland going deep Cleveland did that with Franks).
This is the problem with you and TJ and most of the other negative fans. You can't simply criticize things that ought to be criticized, like how the offense has looked shitty at points this year.
You say Mac ran off Grier. Grier took fricking steroids. Had he not taken steroids, he would be here still and we probably would've won the SEC in 2015. Grier is not here because of Grier.
You criticize winning because of "lucky plays". How bout that it's unlucky we got a phantom holding call against Michigan that would've put us up 24-13, unlucky that our all American kicker missed a game tying extra point at home, or how unlucky it is for us that we were missing our four best offensive players against Texas A&M (and still were the better team- another way to fairly criticize).
And then you stretch to put the blame on Mac, but don't give him credit and instead say we made plays despite him against Tennessee. The coaches put them in position to be successful, why throw in unnecessary criticism? It's dumb and leads to more of my disagreement with you guys than anything else.
Give him his credit when it's due. Give him criticism when it's due. You criticize when it's not due and never give credit when it is. You let your hatred blind you.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 6:52 pm to atlgator
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Your hatred is blinding you.
This is why I just won't debate with those guys anymore. I have no problem with Finch, in fact, I think he adds some levelheaded criticism -- but TJ and 2008 are just about as dumb as they come. I've already stated that I don't like how he does things in some manners, but they don't have any concept of context or timing.
Every time they talk about other schools -- and those other schools disappoint them. I watched TJ bleat on and on about USC (during this year), Michigan and FSU. He talked about it all off-season, 2008 probably did a little, too.
Only to watch those teams completely shite the bed over the course of the year.
FSU isn't going to bowl -- the first time from bad coaching since 1981 (not from suspension/vacating wins).
Michigan just got the everloving frick beaten out of them along with USC (a team with injuries that TJ said was performing exceptionally well).
These guys just simply hate McElwain. Even with two ten-win seasons they say ''well against poor teams'', even though we didn't just beat poor teams. We beat the frick out of Ole Miss, who had just beaten Alabama.
We lose by a lot, they bitch. We lose by a little (even without 15 - 21 scholarship players against decent talent), they bitch.
It's just depressing to see a fanbase paying so much attention to Florida football but so ignorant on what's actually going on.
So, officially, I'm just done talkin' with them until the season ends. I'll only post positive things from hereon out.
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 10/25/17 at 6:59 pm to atlgator
I said we are closer to 1-5 than 5-1, which means we could be either.
A holding call won vs UK and two completely uncovered receivers > a missed extra point for lucks sake
Missing players did lose the Aggies game I agree. He also should have lost the Tenn game. The mind boggling play calling by Butch lost that game. Mac did not win it.
Now look at Michigan. Two good plays, all game. That holding call sucked, but we aren't winning that game despite that call. Michigan physically dominated us, and that TD would have only tempered the wound a bit.
The point is simple.
Show me his offensive greatness while here at UF?
If you can show me that. I will back off.
The problem is, it's year three, and he has yet to show it outside of three games. That is not good enough, and he is not good enough to be our OC. HIs scheme, his play calling philosophy, his developing. He is the guy that is in charge of this. Yet it has yet to improve. If he is this elite offensive mind, why can it not improve?
Why can't he get a play call in properly?
Why can't he adjust the game plan at half time?
Why do his scripted plays fail?
Why can we not develop tempo?
Why has he been unable to develop a QB? He is a guru, correct? With Franks talent, you'd assume he could coach him basic things like check downs in two years.
Why do play makers disappear at key points in the game? See Aggies, when neither Davis nor Toney got the ball on the key 3rd down and 4h down. Simply mind boggling.
The simple point is. He has not shown this elite mind at Florida, and it's been three years. That doesn't seem like a very good offensive coach to me. But who cares about stats, or watchability. He did beat teams, as long as they scored under 14 points. Must be brilliant...
A holding call won vs UK and two completely uncovered receivers > a missed extra point for lucks sake
Missing players did lose the Aggies game I agree. He also should have lost the Tenn game. The mind boggling play calling by Butch lost that game. Mac did not win it.
Now look at Michigan. Two good plays, all game. That holding call sucked, but we aren't winning that game despite that call. Michigan physically dominated us, and that TD would have only tempered the wound a bit.
The point is simple.
Show me his offensive greatness while here at UF?
If you can show me that. I will back off.
The problem is, it's year three, and he has yet to show it outside of three games. That is not good enough, and he is not good enough to be our OC. HIs scheme, his play calling philosophy, his developing. He is the guy that is in charge of this. Yet it has yet to improve. If he is this elite offensive mind, why can it not improve?
Why can't he get a play call in properly?
Why can't he adjust the game plan at half time?
Why do his scripted plays fail?
Why can we not develop tempo?
Why has he been unable to develop a QB? He is a guru, correct? With Franks talent, you'd assume he could coach him basic things like check downs in two years.
Why do play makers disappear at key points in the game? See Aggies, when neither Davis nor Toney got the ball on the key 3rd down and 4h down. Simply mind boggling.
The simple point is. He has not shown this elite mind at Florida, and it's been three years. That doesn't seem like a very good offensive coach to me. But who cares about stats, or watchability. He did beat teams, as long as they scored under 14 points. Must be brilliant...
Posted on 10/25/17 at 7:00 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I'll only post positive things from hereon out
See that's the thing, I haven't been only positive. I've been pissed this week and criticized Mac. I was pissed after Texas A&M and criticized Mac and the players I felt cost us a win. I was also pissed and voiced my frustration after LSU. Same with Michigan.
The thing with them is that you can NEVER have anything positive to say or else you're a homer. Even when I'm critical within the post, if I'm at all complimentary of Mac, I'm a homer that's gonna be a trooper until the end. When I acknowledged within the post that I didn't know if hed ever be able to make it at UF because of those comments and that I still think he should leave if he doesn't want to be here.
They are extreme, and want everyone to be extreme. And if you aren't extreme too, you're just a homer. It's silliness. It makes me want to root for Mac and the team even harder than I already do.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 7:03 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Don't put words in my mouth. I haven't said shite about Michigan and FSU, except I expected to beat them preseason.
Then our coach got gang raped by Harbaugh. Because our coach is inferior.
I'll bet 100 bucks you won't find a post of me saying Fisher is good. Fisher sucks. It's why FSU fans want him gone too.
Michigan just got beat down. So that helps your point on Mac how? So he got beat down, skull dragged, and gang raped by a coach Franklin beat down like a bitch? Yes..way to up Mac's status there.
I actually don't talk about any of those teams, mine has only been Georgia actually. They are undefeated. Seemed pretty right.
I do hate Mac. Because I love UF. He isn't good enough for UF. I like coaches till they show their cards. Same with Muschamp. Liked the guy, but he sucks. Mac sucks, so I don't like him. If he actually shows promise, which is unlikely, then I can jump back on board. Problem is, he isn't good enough to change philosophy, and his doesn't work. See three straight years of terrible offense.
Then our coach got gang raped by Harbaugh. Because our coach is inferior.
I'll bet 100 bucks you won't find a post of me saying Fisher is good. Fisher sucks. It's why FSU fans want him gone too.
Michigan just got beat down. So that helps your point on Mac how? So he got beat down, skull dragged, and gang raped by a coach Franklin beat down like a bitch? Yes..way to up Mac's status there.
I actually don't talk about any of those teams, mine has only been Georgia actually. They are undefeated. Seemed pretty right.
I do hate Mac. Because I love UF. He isn't good enough for UF. I like coaches till they show their cards. Same with Muschamp. Liked the guy, but he sucks. Mac sucks, so I don't like him. If he actually shows promise, which is unlikely, then I can jump back on board. Problem is, he isn't good enough to change philosophy, and his doesn't work. See three straight years of terrible offense.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 7:03 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Did well at CSU, but he did it vs sub par competition
He had sub par players also
Posted on 10/25/17 at 7:07 pm to atlgator
I was very positive early this year.
I broke after LSU.
I tried to hold my head up after Michigan showed once again we have no offense, at all.
I can say positives. His receivers are as good as we have had in a long time, Davis was a golden find, and Collins was a great DC hire. The simple issue is, the negatives outweigh the positives.
I asked DB to do this, but he didn't. But maybe you could.
Rank Mac as a head coach.
Development -
Recruiting-
Game planning -
In game adjustments -
Coaches hired/fired -
Face of program grade -
Control of off the field issues -
Facility improvement -
Clock management -
I would bet, most of those are a C or worse if being fair.
So that says all we need it to say. He just isn't good enough.
I broke after LSU.
I tried to hold my head up after Michigan showed once again we have no offense, at all.
I can say positives. His receivers are as good as we have had in a long time, Davis was a golden find, and Collins was a great DC hire. The simple issue is, the negatives outweigh the positives.
I asked DB to do this, but he didn't. But maybe you could.
Rank Mac as a head coach.
Development -
Recruiting-
Game planning -
In game adjustments -
Coaches hired/fired -
Face of program grade -
Control of off the field issues -
Facility improvement -
Clock management -
I would bet, most of those are a C or worse if being fair.
So that says all we need it to say. He just isn't good enough.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 7:10 pm to Gatorbait2008
I agree about not wanting Mac but if Spurrier was OC then Mac wouldn’t have anything to do with the offense. Spurrier is cocky and would do what ever he wanted . The problem would be when Spurrier retired again then our offense would possibly fall apart with Mac here. It’s the best case possible to turn the offense around now but not the best case for the future.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 7:10 pm to dbuchanon
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He had sub par players also
Coach before him had a good eye recruiting. He walked into a really good set of skill players that just needed developing, which is is good at skill players wise.
He can do well at CSU. He is a good small time coach. When he faces elite coaches, and elite players, he just isn't the same level. He is no where remotely close to Harbaugh, who beat him like a little girl. He can't even remotely out coach Fisher, who sucks himself. Seriously. Zero offensive points. That is a joke. He did out coach Richt, but Richt got fired for that very reason. He is 1-1 vs Ed O. Butch Jones he literally has two of the luckiest wins I've ever seen, he legit could and probably should be 0-3 vs Butch.
He needs to go to Oregon State. That is more of his style. He would do decently there.
He just isn't good enough for the top tier program. Same with Charlie Strong and Muschamp.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 7:11 pm to tjv305
Spurrier and Mac run opposing systems and mindsets in game. It makes no logical sense.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 7:14 pm to Gatorbait2008
You unintentionally proved my point in your post, and I'll show you how.
Okay, so the holding call vs Kentucky is why we won, but the holding call against Michigan wouldn't have mattered. If we score there and make our field goal, we lead 27-26 in the fourth quarter. I'm not arguing we should've won that game, but we had the opportunity to if not for bad luck and not executing a field goal. We had an opportunity to win despite how bad we looked.
You give Mac no credit for the wins vs Kentucky and Tennessee, but give the majority of the blame to Mac for the losses. That's all my argument is. About being fair about the criticism.
Your criticisms later in your posts are fair and frustrations I share with you. I think it's fair to argue the offense would be better if we had Callaway, Scarlett, Cleveland, Toney, etc. all year, but there's no answer for why Franks hasn't progressed. It's been several QBs now. There's no excuse, only the hope that Franks will continue to develop or that Corral can come in and be an upgrade.
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I said we are closer to 1-5 than 5-1, which means we could be either.
A holding call won vs UK and two completely uncovered receivers > a missed extra point for lucks sake
Missing players did lose the Aggies game I agree. He also should have lost the Tenn game. The mind boggling play calling by Butch lost that game. Mac did not win it
Now look at Michigan. Two good plays, all game. That holding call sucked, but we aren't winning that game despite that call. Michigan physically dominated us, and that TD would have only tempered the wound a bit.
Okay, so the holding call vs Kentucky is why we won, but the holding call against Michigan wouldn't have mattered. If we score there and make our field goal, we lead 27-26 in the fourth quarter. I'm not arguing we should've won that game, but we had the opportunity to if not for bad luck and not executing a field goal. We had an opportunity to win despite how bad we looked.
You give Mac no credit for the wins vs Kentucky and Tennessee, but give the majority of the blame to Mac for the losses. That's all my argument is. About being fair about the criticism.
Your criticisms later in your posts are fair and frustrations I share with you. I think it's fair to argue the offense would be better if we had Callaway, Scarlett, Cleveland, Toney, etc. all year, but there's no answer for why Franks hasn't progressed. It's been several QBs now. There's no excuse, only the hope that Franks will continue to develop or that Corral can come in and be an upgrade.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 7:14 pm to Gatorbait2008
No to SOS. Let him enjoy retirement
Posted on 10/25/17 at 7:17 pm to atlgator
Fair enough. 
Arguing with Straws always riles me up. I'm not as bad with DB. Plus we actually agree on a lot once past the he still wants Mac to have a chance and I am ready to move on.
Arguing with Straws always riles me up. I'm not as bad with DB. Plus we actually agree on a lot once past the he still wants Mac to have a chance and I am ready to move on.
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 10/25/17 at 7:25 pm to Gatorbait2008
Development - Depends on position. One grade isn't fair. Grade at QB (F) is way different than grade at RB (A)
Recruiting- B, 20th, 12th, 9th, currently 6th, and 1st in 2019. arrow trending upward and figuring it out.
Game planning - B+, had a winning plan vs. Alabama last year, have had open receivers in games throughout tenure. Need better execution, better QB play, offensive players to not be suspended or injured.
In game adjustments - C, defense has adjusted and improved throughout the season. Offense has seemingly had no adjustments or creativity.
Coaches hired/fired - A-, Seider, Bell, Davis, Collins, Shannon, Rumph were great. Fire Nuss and Nord after this season.
Face of program grade - C+, he's represented the program okay at times, but it's been an embarrassing week for him.
Control of off the field issues - A, handled hurricane good, has held players accountable for their actions by suspending them. Wish it wouldn't happen in the first place, but handled well after it happened
Facility improvement - A+, has demanded the best facilities since he got here and has gotten the department to build those facilities and support the program.
Clock management - D, it pisses me off every time we're not aggressive with the ball at the end of the half.
Recruiting- B, 20th, 12th, 9th, currently 6th, and 1st in 2019. arrow trending upward and figuring it out.
Game planning - B+, had a winning plan vs. Alabama last year, have had open receivers in games throughout tenure. Need better execution, better QB play, offensive players to not be suspended or injured.
In game adjustments - C, defense has adjusted and improved throughout the season. Offense has seemingly had no adjustments or creativity.
Coaches hired/fired - A-, Seider, Bell, Davis, Collins, Shannon, Rumph were great. Fire Nuss and Nord after this season.
Face of program grade - C+, he's represented the program okay at times, but it's been an embarrassing week for him.
Control of off the field issues - A, handled hurricane good, has held players accountable for their actions by suspending them. Wish it wouldn't happen in the first place, but handled well after it happened
Facility improvement - A+, has demanded the best facilities since he got here and has gotten the department to build those facilities and support the program.
Clock management - D, it pisses me off every time we're not aggressive with the ball at the end of the half.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 7:30 pm to atlgator
These rankings seem pretty...optimistic.
Recruiting - His first two years resulted in the lowest blue chip ratio in Florida history(since Rivals). So B+ seems a bit high for him literally being the worst the first two years we have had since Spurrier in class ranking. Obviously improved, but he can't get dismissed for the failures of two classes either.
Gameplan - Seems high as well. Bama I agree, he knows Saban he had a great one. Same with Ole Miss and Georgia. But his game plans vs Michigan, FSU, etc seem to imply he is about 60/40. So I think C+ is a more fair one, but it's our opinions.
Coaches fired - He kept Nord, hired a pretty bad first group. So how is that an A? He did bring in good coaches this last offseason, but he has maybe the worst ST in the country, who he gave a raise. How is that possibly an A?
Same face and facility as I would have
Off field - He did well with Hurricanes, but let's be fair. One of the largest scams I've seen for awhile in CFB he has to take some blame, especially if we as Gators attack Meyer for it. I went B+
Recruiting - His first two years resulted in the lowest blue chip ratio in Florida history(since Rivals). So B+ seems a bit high for him literally being the worst the first two years we have had since Spurrier in class ranking. Obviously improved, but he can't get dismissed for the failures of two classes either.
Gameplan - Seems high as well. Bama I agree, he knows Saban he had a great one. Same with Ole Miss and Georgia. But his game plans vs Michigan, FSU, etc seem to imply he is about 60/40. So I think C+ is a more fair one, but it's our opinions.
Coaches fired - He kept Nord, hired a pretty bad first group. So how is that an A? He did bring in good coaches this last offseason, but he has maybe the worst ST in the country, who he gave a raise. How is that possibly an A?
Same face and facility as I would have
Off field - He did well with Hurricanes, but let's be fair. One of the largest scams I've seen for awhile in CFB he has to take some blame, especially if we as Gators attack Meyer for it. I went B+
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 10/25/17 at 8:03 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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If you have to have excuses for 10 win seasons you're a fricking shite fan, along with the other detractors on this board.
In the words of FunnyMaine...
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