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Analysis of Mac's success vs. predicted success

Posted on 9/8/17 at 8:54 am
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 8:54 am
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Pretty interesting read. Well researched and good analysis. With all this being said, Mac needs to find a way to produce a better fricking offense.

Thoughts?
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:06 am to
So because Mac sucks at recruiting his poor 4 loss a yr record is okay. That's what I got from that. The first paragraph laid zero blame on Mac or nuss. It excused them. The problem is he's been destroyed by decent teams and his offense is a stick in the mud.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:04 pm to
I think it's not so farfetched to say that...the offense was not and has not been good since like 2008/2009 -- so it's not like we can actually blame them completely, per se. The quarterback problem is now their own, as well as the line. I think 2 years is sufficient to recruit or at the very least go after some JUCO guys to at least get some experience in the line.

But, I mean, they've tried. They brought in journeyman quarterbacks, they've brought in grad transfers at the line, they've done everything they possibly could to jumpstart the offense and it just hasn't clicked.

I think the offense has the potential, but just like every single year we watch this: We need a quarterback. A real quarterback. Franks might be that answer, as may Corral. But if we had a kid like Bentley, McElwain would maybe have two losses on his schedule.

If Grier had stayed, likewise. His first year he had Treon Harris and then absolutely no one at QB, his second year he had a Walk-on and a Purdue backup. This year he has a Redshirt Freshman who started his first game on the road against a legit top-15 team.

The line is disappointing, but I think we needed a game to sort of build their confidence and get them to work together better.

Considering the first year they had us like 4th or 5th in the East, and the second year they had us 3rd or 4th and we finished first both times is good.

I would also like to point out that he has had success at Florida, more than Muschamp ever had in regards to the SEC. He seems to shite it up against big time competition aside from one team a year, and that's unaccetable.

But in the end, don't shite on the guy one game into the season. We were barely bowling every year, and Muschamp was fortunate he didn't miss the bowl season two years in a row. FCS teams were beating us without completing passes, others were running for 200 yards.

We are goddamn lucky to not be in Vanderbilt's position and I'll tell you something -- if we perform absolutely horribly against Colorado, then by all means bitch and moan your voice away.

But I'm happy that I don't worry about fricking dropping FCS games, and haven't worried for two years. I'm happy that we won the East, I'm happy that his defense is working without Muschamp's players and I'm happy that our receivers look like actual receivers.

I haven't seen catches like that since pre-Muschamp, and as long as parts of the offense are improving I'm happy -- but we knew coming into the year that there were still a lot of kinks to work out.

Also, he hasn't been destroyed by decent teams. LSU didn't destroy him, nor did Ole Miss (like Ole Miss last year KILLED Kirby's Dogs). The only decent team to fit that is Arkansas, but after that it's just a trail of Championship level teams -- and that's to be expected.

If you thought we were going to waltz in and beat Bama or even be competitive when we couldn't even beat Georgia Southern at Home, maybe you should try to reflect a little more.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
39446 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:13 pm to
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We are goddamn lucky to not be in Vanderbilt's position

Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:22 pm to
So just because WM sucked and we made the SECCG we should be happy with this shitshow? Lay down the bottle man. WM IS NOT TGE STANDARD HERE.MAC And WM have almost identical records and Mac has played in a far easier era of the east. They're the bottom of the barrel. No we don't have to an fcs team we have to worry about 6-6 Arkansas and 3-9 fau, etc. Jesus man are you related to Mac. Reel even quit carrying water for the guy.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
39446 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:47 pm to
This is reel at this point.

Reel = George
Mac = bottle


Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
20817 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 2:02 pm to
I never wanted Mac, but he is the HC of my team so I supported him when the hire was made. I believe every HC should get at least 3 years to prove himself, and here we are in his 3rd and the offense is STILL floundering around for 60 minutes while we rely on the defense to win games. If we come out looking like shite vs Tenn, Mac will lose what support he does have imo.

That said, I'll be watching Will Grier throw for 400 yards tomorrow in an offense that has less quality players around him.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:36 pm to
Will Grier is in a pass happy offense and throws 50 times...nice entertainment except for the big L stamped on his forehead by Va Tech. You cannot win much in he SEC throwing 50 + times...do we want to be Mizzou? I sure as hell don't. You may respond TJ & Finch and say it would better than this, but you guys are the first one calling for firing the HC when we lose....and Mizzou will lose a lot this year.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
20817 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:56 pm to
They rushed for over 200 yards
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
20817 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 4:04 pm to
53 pass attempts
34 rushing attempts

Over 500 yards of offense

Do I want us to be like Mizz?? Idc if we run the friggan Veer if we can bury a team that were supposed to by putting up 72 points.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 8:28 pm to
quote:

So just because WM sucked and we made the SECCG we should be happy with this shitshow?


I'm not going to address the rest because, frankly, you can't seem to avoid running with an idea after oversimplifying your opposition.

I'm not saying we should be happy, I'm saying we should be cognizant. We don't have Urban Meyer, and we shouldn't expect to be in the CFP even after two years.

I'm saying temper your expectations, I'm saying we are AHEAD of where we were, he is doing better than the previous head coach and for me, that's all I can hope for.

Grading him against guys like Saban and Fisher is retarded, even Jim Harbaugh -- who took on a very talented team and performed quite well in less time.

Before he stepped on campus, Florida in the last two years had been 7 - 9 in SEC play.

7 - 9 TJ. Triple Overtime with Kentucky, loss to an FCS, blown out by Vanderbilt, holy shite, man.

He took that team and in two years he's 13 - 3.

Say what bad things you want -- the East was worse (and FCS teams were better) blah blah blah.

13 - 3 vs. 7 - 9, I'm happy with those results, unhappy with the offense.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
20817 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:17 pm to
Its not about the W/L record, its about the offensive inefficiency that we've been dealing with the past several years. He was brought in to fix this problem, so far its not happening.

I dont expect to find the next Saban ect. But at least find a HC who can show we deserve to be on the same damn field.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:21 pm to
quote:

Its not about the W/L record,


Yes, and sorry for saying it like this, the frick it is.

quote:

He was brought in to fix this problem, so far its not happening.


7 - 9 to 13 - 3 is fixing the problem. That it's not to your standard of speed is not relevant.

Seeing people calling 1 - 10 after losing one fricking game and giving up is sad as shite. It's one game against a top ten opponent to begin the year with our redshirt freshman quarterback without our number 1 receiver and number 1 running back.

Everyone chill the frick out, Chicken Littles all of you.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
20817 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:59 pm to
W/L record means what when we get our doors blown off vs the top teams? It just tells me the East is shite. Hell, Tenn had to go to dbl OT to beat friggan GT.

JS and Callaway wouldnt have made any difference. The team never got off the bus neither did the coaches.

I believe we'll win 8-9 games due to the East being down. May even win the East again if we beat UGA. Then we'll get throttled by FSU and Bama again.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:28 pm to
I want to reiterate that it isn't so much that Mac lost that everyone is jumping ship, it's how UF lost.

Looking completely unprepared and poorly coached, against a team returning 5 starters, and who has recruited about as well as UF.

You would expect at the very least an even game.

UF never had a chance.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
20817 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:38 pm to
Exactly, how many new defensive starters? And we made them look like the Steel Curtain

There were zero adjustments. Thats the thing.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/9/17 at 12:48 am to
quote:

I want to reiterate that it isn't so much that Mac lost that everyone is jumping ship, it's how UF lost.

Looking completely unprepared and poorly coached, against a team returning 5 starters, and who has recruited about as well as UF.

You would expect at the very least an even game.

UF never had a chance.


I'd be more worried if I was, say, Jimbo Fisher and I was supposed to have a maybe-championship team but Alabama crushes you.

Our defense outscored Florida State's offense.

We lost to a team that was ranked higher than us, and it wasn't pretty -- didn't have our #1 RB nor our #1 WR in the roster and our team was ill-prepared for another road game.

That being said, we were down 9 and considering -- RSF QB, down Scarlett and Callaway, what did you guys think would happen exactly?

That we'd lose by 7 instead of 9? (Zaire's pathetic fumble is the only reason the scoreline wasn't closer).

For a bunch of guys here during the Muschamp years, I have no idea why you guys are so butthurt after these games.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/9/17 at 2:25 am to
Off-topic, but rewatching the 30 minute version of the game -- Zaire was bad.

Really, really bad. I hope to see Luke Del Rio, and that's means we're in the worst way.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 9/9/17 at 3:25 am to
Having Scarlett or AC81 wouldn't of made a damn bit of difference. Scarlett can't run through 7 guys in the backfield and AC81 rarely helps out his QB and is wildly inconsistent. In fact the the only consistent thing about him is he's always in trouble.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 9/9/17 at 3:29 am to
You don't understand why a bunch of us are pissed because the $5M a year offensive guru is shitting the bed in his 3rd yr? I'm done with you. You're either a troll or insane.
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