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re: 2022 Recruiting and beyond. (Updated: 20/JUN/2021)
Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:06 am to BloodSweat&Beers
Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:06 am to BloodSweat&Beers
You guys were seriously expecting a homerun at Running Back when we're already pretty deep at the position and how absolutely horrendous our offensive line was for run blocking? 
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Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:37 am to Gatorbait2008
Sorry I'm not in the know. What is Ahmed Black doing now days? I loved watching him play at Florida
Posted on 12/19/19 at 11:35 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I think most of us just wanted ONE decent running back.
They will probably get one in the next two months.
They will probably get one in the next two months.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 12:00 pm to Gatorbait2008
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The issue is we finished 6th in the SEC man...that just isn't going to be good enough.
Take a look at the Auburn and A&M classes, and tell me you would swap then with us straight up. I promise you wouldn't.
We are 3 players short of a class that meets all our wants and needs. Need 1 RB, 1 WR, and 1 Safety. We have time to get that still. Even if we don't, we'll still be fine. You need an elite QB and an elite pass rush to win championships. The rest usually sorts itself out.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 12:23 pm to Muthsera
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You need an elite QB and an elite pass rush to win championships. The rest usually sorts itself out.
People seriously haven't been paying attention to the last national championship teams.
Clemson averaged 10.6 over the past 5 years and handily dominated Alabama who averaged 1.9. You get a top-tier QB and you will pretty much be guaranteed to get to the NCG.
Joe Burrow completely changed LSU.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 12:37 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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People seriously haven't been paying attention to the last national championship teams.
Clemson averaged 10.6 over the past 5 years and handily dominated Alabama who averaged 1.9. You get a top-tier QB and you will pretty much be guaranteed to get to the NCG.
Joe Burrow completely changed LSU.
Clemson rankings have been off because they don't have huge classes. They get a ton of top flight talent aka 5*s and don't process players. They did not have staff turnover and minimal transfers out. Therefore their classes are small and top heavy.
Completely agree that a top tier QB is a program changer.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 12:47 pm to Muthsera
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We are 3 players short of a class that meets all our wants and needs. Need 1 RB, 1 WR, and 1 Safety. We have time to get that still. Even if we don't, we'll still be fine. You need an elite QB and an elite pass rush to win championships. The rest usually sorts itself out.
Sign Manuel and we are good at WR. He is an elite talent. He just has to get a test score/grades.
Supposedly UF leads for 4* S Avantae Williams. He is an elite talent. IMO we don't need another safety with McDaniel, Torrence, and Johnson. Britt is unsigned still. However, Williams is a +1 guy that you take and make it work.
Who knows what is going to happen at RB?
Posted on 12/19/19 at 12:51 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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Clemson rankings have been off because they don't have huge classes. They get a ton of top flight talent aka 5*s and don't process players. They did not have staff turnover and minimal transfers out. Therefore their classes are small and top heavy.
Alabama had more 4*s than Clemson had Blue Chips. (51 - 46) They also had, on top of that, 12 5*s.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 1:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Alabama had more 4*s than Clemson had Blue Chips. (51 - 46) They also had, on top of that, 12 5*s.
Clemson has basically had the same staff during their recent run. That has been a huge deal. Meanwhile Bama has had huge staff turnover.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 1:37 pm to Louisiana Gator
Express Employment is the company he is with. He came in to help us find new employees. Seriously he was so cool about me just talking to him was awesome. Spent 15 minutes talking about shite and seemed generally into the conversation from some annoying fan.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 1:39 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
I think Williams is a huge get. We can't assume all of them will be good, and Williams based on what he has put on tape seems most likely to succeed at a high lvl on skill. Now attitude is another thing, but you can't really project that as a fan. Get the best players available right now. Even at a loaded position.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 1:40 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Those Clemson teams only had one class I believe below .92 rating. They don't sign big classes, but they sign highly rated players. They land an insanely high rate of the players they go after. We are not where Clemson is right now, we need a jump in the elite talent to be there.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 1:45 pm to Gatorbait2008
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I think Williams is a huge get. We can't assume all of them will be good, and Williams based on what he has put on tape seems most likely to succeed at a high lvl on skill. Now attitude is another thing, but you can't really project that as a fan. Get the best players available right now. Even at a loaded position.
I don't recall a highlight video as violent as Tre'Vez Johnson
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Posted on 12/19/19 at 1:56 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Those Clemson teams only had one class I believe below .92 rating. They don't sign big classes, but they sign highly rated players. They land an insanely high rate of the players they go after. We are not where Clemson is right now, we need a jump in the elite talent to be there.
There is by no measure or metric to call them "elite" which is top 5 (which is what you guys are misguidedly expecting). They averaged a 10.6 class, which is superior but not elite.
Whether or not that meshes with your desires is inconsequential, those are just the numbers. Florida outrecruited Clemson in that same time, but because of lackluster seasons fell by the wayside.
We are significantly outrecruiting them this year (relative to their past five years) if the class holds. We will have around a 70% blue chip ratio.
Similarly: You guys make this conversation too black and white, desperately just trying to tie in recruiting to championships.
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 12/19/19 at 2:11 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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There is by no measure or metric to call them "elite" which is top 5 (which is what you guys are misguidedly expecting). They averaged a 10.6 class, which is superior but not elite.
Where do they average when you only look at average star ratings though? They've had a few years where they were in the top five in that despite not being in the top 5 overall.
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We are significantly outrecruiting them this year (relative to their past five years) if the class holds
Not if you look at class average.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 2:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
It's like you purposefully ignore average recruit ranking. They had a class with 16 kids, but had a ranking over .92 a recruit. Just because they have so little turnover and do not over sign does not mean it is a bad class. You know this, but it hurts your argument so you are ignoring it to fit a narrative.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 2:43 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
We are not clemson.
Clemson identifies who they want for their system, and most of the time, they got their #1 or at worst, their #2 guy.
UF at certain positions has failed at that in the Mullen era. Last year the big misses were DL. The year before, DB. This year, it's more on the offensive side of the ball, with WR seeming to be the biggest whiff in my mind.
But it looks like they may correct that in the transfer portal, especially if they bring in Shorter, and they just need to pray Manuel qualifies.
Clemson identifies who they want for their system, and most of the time, they got their #1 or at worst, their #2 guy.
UF at certain positions has failed at that in the Mullen era. Last year the big misses were DL. The year before, DB. This year, it's more on the offensive side of the ball, with WR seeming to be the biggest whiff in my mind.
But it looks like they may correct that in the transfer portal, especially if they bring in Shorter, and they just need to pray Manuel qualifies.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 2:54 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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People seriously haven't been paying attention to the last national championship teams. Clemson averaged 10.6 over the past 5 years and handily dominated Alabama who averaged 1.9. You get a top-tier QB and you will pretty much be guaranteed to get to the NCG.
Clemson has elite talent with an 5 star QB. We have less talent with what a 3 star QB? Mullen needs to run his offense and let product on the field do the recruiting. We knew he wasn’t a great recruiter when we hired him.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 3:26 pm to slayerxing
Transfer portal we have done well in, at some point though we have to recruit instead of looking outside too to get elite players. I would love to get Shorter.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:04 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
People aren't complaining about the class average, they're complaining about our ranking. We've hit every goal except for WR and maybe Safety (but that can easily be catered to). RB we'll get someone, and I have no doubt at WR we'll land someone too.
This is bitching just to be bitching. Second year with a top ten finish (likely, maybe not if we have some terrible luck) and that's not factoring in Cox, a five star transfer that counts in this class.
This is bitching just to be bitching. Second year with a top ten finish (likely, maybe not if we have some terrible luck) and that's not factoring in Cox, a five star transfer that counts in this class.
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