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Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:02 am to RT1941
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:02 am to RT1941
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Good for AU-Gus beating Bama-Saban, a feather in this hat for sure.
I'm sure happy to know the AU fan base is perfectly fine with Gus chalking up a hefty dose of loses to UGA/LSU with a generous sprinkling of losses to aTm/UT and him sitting @ 3-3 vs MSU in his tenure.
Nobody is saying they are happy with Gus. The question that keeps being dodged is, as bad as Gus is at times, how does he compete with Saban when nobody else in the league has ? Everyone wants to put Kirby on a pedestal for playing Saban close, but they love to criticize Gus even when he has beaten Saban twice (as the #1 team) and put 630 yards on him in a loss. It is either Saban is not the best on the field coach (he can recruit) or Gus is a lot better than people want to admit. Which is it /
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Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:07 am to Irons Puppet
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Everyone wants to put Kirby on a pedestal for playing Saban close, but they love to criticize Gus even when he has beaten Saban twice
-Kirby has had 2 shots at saban, in the 2nd and 3rd years of his head coaching career. And looked like the far better team for 95% of both games.
-Gus has had 6 chances at saban, so of course he has more opportunities for wins
-Gus's first win came on the back of one of the most miraculous plays cfb has ever seen (notice I didn't say lucky).
-His other win came when bama's defense (LB in particular) was extremely beat up and they still didn't know jalen hurts wasn't a good throwing QB yet.
-gus's losses are by an average of 17 PPG. Kirby's are an average of 5 PPG. Based on that, I would conclude that people perceive uga/kirby to be closer overall to bama and on a relatively equal playign field, whereas Gus on the other hand will get a hot team and squeak one out here and there while the other meetings they get pummelled.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 11:29 am
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:40 am to Irons Puppet
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The question that keeps being dodged is, as bad as Gus is at times, how does he compete with Saban when nobody else in the league has ?
A few things to maybe help you move on.
First - there is no doubt that Gus has run an offensive system that gives Saban's preferred defensive system some issues. EVERY defensive system has holes and Gus (and Hugh Freeze and Kevin Sumlin for that matter) have run offensive systems at times that do a good job at exploiting those holes. As more teams have run similar offensive systems against his defense, Saban has adjusted. This makes the defense vulnerable in other ways to other systems, but Saban is trying to have a defense good enough to win championships, not just beat one particular team or style of offense. In the end football is very much about match ups and there are some teams/styles of offense/defense that match up better than others. Winning championships requires you to run your best system and sometimes just survive the couple of bad matchups you might have along the way.
Second - there is also no doubt that Auburn gets way up for the Bama game, particularly at Jordan Hare. My wife's family has had season tickets to Auburn games and I've been to a bunch of games against many teams there and every Iron Bowl there since 2003. It is by far the hardest road environment for Alabama every year. When Auburn has a good team for the Iron Bowl in Auburn the atmosphere is as hostile as it gets and that certainly has helped Auburn pull a couple of upsets. Alabama does not play particularly well in Auburn and that is a credit to Auburn fans.
Third - you are way overstating Auburn's supposed lack of talent. Auburn consistently has top 10 talent in college football. While that talent might not translate has much to the NFL game (partly because of the Gus's system by the way), for the college game Auburn consistently is one of the most talented teams in the country. There is no need for you to denigrate your own team's players' talent to try and prop up Gus or disparage Saban.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 11:44 am to Irons Puppet
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Good for AU-Gus beating Bama-Saban, a feather in this hat for sure.
I'm sure happy to know the AU fan base is perfectly fine with Gus chalking up a hefty dose of loses to UGA/LSU with a generous sprinkling of losses to aTm/UT and him sitting @ 3-3 vs MSU in his tenure.
quote:I'm sure it's Gus is a lot better than people want to admit, that's it. Gus is also the 2nd longest tenured HC in the conference now isn't he? So he's had twice as many shots at Saban in the last 6 yrs than any other HC, right?
Nobody is saying they are happy with Gus. The question that keeps being dodged is, as bad as Gus is at times, how does he compete with Saban when nobody else in the league has ? Everyone wants to put Kirby on a pedestal for playing Saban close, but they love to criticize Gus even when he has beaten Saban twice (as the #1 team) and put 630 yards on him in a loss. It is either Saban is not the best on the field coach (he can recruit) or Gus is a lot better than people want to admit. Which is it /
I don't know what Kirby has to do with the path you've taken this thread, but for you to totally ignore the job Nick Saban has done in the last 12 yrs and chalk it all up to "recruiting" in this conference/division is asinine.
Saban doesn't just recruit players and funnel them straight to the early rounds of the NFL draft. You ignore the massive amount of player development, roster management, ego & attitude management and staff management to be able to sustain his level of success. Not to mention Saban's ability to adjust with the changing times and his willingness to change and evolve as needed.
Gus is not a "bad" coach, but for whatever reason he has voluntarily turned himself into a mediocre coach since his 1st year at AU. He is stubborn as hell and this constant flip flopping he's done with his involvement in the offense hasn't helped the W/L record. He goes from a CEO HC to a hands-on offensive coach, back to a CEO coach and now he's the OC? He's constantly chasing his tail and reacting instead of creating and evolving and it's damaged him IMO.
Good for Gus for holding a 2-4 record vs Saban as a HC, but Bama is only 1 game a year and CGM still can't seem to get the upper hand on LSU/UGA/MSU either.
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