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re: Haselwood's comments about our staff

Posted on 1/24/19 at 10:28 am to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 10:28 am to
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He played a role in the collapse of both games, but that doesnt mean he is the sole reason or main reason we lost both games.
That's a far cry from the statements about needing someone with quick feet to beat Bama. The focus was on Fromm, even though you now say he wasn't the sole or main reason we lost both games. It goes back to what I and others have said: football is a team sport. We lost as a team and Fromm having faster legs doesn't necessarily mean we win.

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Since the Qb has the ball more than anyone else, he has more opportunities to make plays than anyone else.
Sure. Statistically that is correct, however simply touching the ball more is meaningless if the play doesn't allow for anything to be done with it. WRs that don't catch the ball and OL that don't block well will get a QB massacred, no matter what. If a QB can't rely on his team to execute, they are likely going to lose the game, no matter how good or athletic the QB is. It's still a team sport.

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Qbs arent going to have perfect protection and wide open WR's all the time. They need to be able to make something out of nothing.
Not necessarily. They need to be smart, most of all. That means getting rid of the ball and throwing it away instead of taking a sack, for instance.

You keep defaulting to a QB needing to always being able to get positive yards, but that's not realistic. Some of the best QBs to play the game were great at not getting negative yards rather than always getting positive yards.

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Each week Qbs make plays when pressure is applied and no one is open.
Each week, QBs protect the ball and don't get negative yards or at least don't turn the ball over when the pressure is applied. That's usually more important than a QB always trying to make big plays with their legs.

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Thats exactly what we needed from Fromm later in the Bama games and we didnt get them.
I asked previously but if you want to point to specific plays where Fromm "making plays" (do you mean running around?) was possible and would have changed the outcome of the game, then please do. All I've seen so far is the SECCG where he should have lowered his shoulder and risked injury to pick up another two yards on a 2nd-down play.

It's easy to say a player should "make plays" and just be better, but you need to be specific.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33056 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:37 pm to
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needing someone with quick feet to beat Bama.


Its not a coincidence most QB's who are on teams who beat Bama use their feet to make things happen at some point. They do it with OL missing blocks and WR's not getting open initially. They are also smart with the ball, which is also not a coincidence. Teams often need both to overcome a team like Bama.

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Fromm having faster legs doesn't necessarily mean we win.


There are no guarantees, but the odds do go up with a QB who can make something out of nothing. A first down is better than a punt. Thats just basic football knowledge.

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You keep defaulting to a QB needing to always being able to get positive yards, but that's not realistic.


I never said always. Take Cardale Jones vs Bama for instance. He didnt have a good game passing, and stats say he only gained 42 yards on 17 carries, which isnt all that impressive, but that is with sacks and bad snaps taken into account. Looking more closely, he gained 83 yards on 7 carries, good for 6 first downs. That turned a potential of 6 punts into sustained drives. OSU needed every bit of that to beat Bama by 7.

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