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re: Jake Fromm vs. Alabama

Posted on 12/18/18 at 11:38 am to
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 11:38 am to
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In the end, thats all that matters.
True to a point. All that matters is the scoreboard at the end of the game when you're talking about wins and losses, however statistics don't tell a complete story. For instance, Tua had his worst performance of his short career against us, yet he wasn't as bad as the statistics show. He had a few dropped passes that could have been huge for Bama including one that would have resulted in a TD and a big uptick in the yards column for Tua. The statistics don't show good/bad decisions and good/bad throws. They only show numbers that resulted from the play, which is why you have to actually watch games to understand what actually happened.

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At least you can admit it was a rough ending. Thats more than some others I have encountered. Respect for that.
Thanks, but I did say "statistically", and as I just said, there's a difference between poor statistics and poor performance; sometimes there is a correlation and sometimes there isn't. This is a team game and QBs have to rely on a lot more than themselves to make their stats look good. Throwing dimes in perfect locations and making all the right decisions doesn't matter if the WRs don't catch them, for instance. All that stat sheet shows is the incomplete pass.

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Scramble and make something positive happen to keep the drive alive.
Easier said than done. You still have to account for playing against one of the best defenses in the country. Fields was in for a pass play, saw his target was covered and scrambled, but he was spied and didn't pick up much at all. Scrambling is only helpful if there's a place to scramble to.

Also, "mak[ing] something happen" isn't always possible when the defense locks down the receivers. When you roll out to one side of the field to escape pressure, it basically cuts the field in half and forces everything to that sideline. If the receivers are covered, the only thing a QB can do is try to pick up a couple of yards with their feet or throw the ball away. Fromm had to throw the ball away a few times because of the coverage.

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The same CKS who lost his mind when Fromm ran out of bounds before the 1st down marker vs Vandy in 2017? If he has been advised to slide before a 1st down, and the Vandy game doesnt support that idea, I doubt it was meant to be applied to a do or die game.
The play against Vandy was on 3rd down, which is a different scenario compared to a 1st or 2nd down run. The downs actually matter and I'm surprised you don't seem to understand that.

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Having the balls to get that extra yard running certainly wasnt one of the reasons why he didnt get his job back. Besides, thats just one example. Go back and look at the few teams who beat Bama, and you will see QB's who go for the extra yards. Every yard is needed to beat Bama.
Risking your body unnecessarily isn't ballsy; it's stupid. You have to play smart football and laying out for a first down when it isn't absolutely necessary (3rd or 4th down situation) against a big, fast, and physical defense is asking for trouble. Defenders love a scrambling QB because they can get a free hit on them, and that's why QBs need to be protected. If you pick up the first down but your QB is out for the rest of the game, it's likely that wasn't a good trade off.

And we were beating Bama just fine without those "extra yards" earlier in the game. Our defense couldn't stop a hot Hurts and their defense stepped up and made plays at the right time to prevent us from moving the ball. At the point in the game when the slide took place, it wasn't critical for him to get those extra yards. It's easy to look back afterwards and blame the slide for the loss but that ignores context and denies reality.
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