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Posted on 10/31/18 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 10/31/18 at 2:51 pm to
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Enough with the excuses.
You sound like HTD. Explanation of context isn't an excuse, and even if it were, it would be something legitimate to take into account.

You don't have to get mad just because you're being challenged.

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It simply wasn’t a good throw. After Wims burnt his man, it took a well underthrown ball for the db to be near the ball, so It’s fair to credit him with an int.
It wasn't a great throw but it's one Wimms should have caught. Brown didn't even know where the ball was. He wasn't actively defending the ball. He just sort of got in the way and the ball dropped into his hands for the INT.

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Even if you want to be ridiculous, and remove all his ints, 121 still isn’t good, and that’s not taking the negative rushing yards into account. Qbs who help beat Bama usually do much better than that. Simply put, Fromm needed to do more, just as other QBs did.
I didn't say 121 was good but it wasn't as bad as is made out to be by the numbers alone. That's also why I mentioned Hurts' rating from the year before where he did more with his legs and they still lost a close one at the literal last second of the game. Hurts did enough to win that game against Clemson but the defense (or rather Clemson's offense) was what lost the game in the end. Same with us. Even without a super star performance from Fromm, at the end of the game we lost because our defense didn't perform as it should have on that last play.

Also, consider that our receivers did not haul in 6 throws that could have been caught totaling 43 additional yards (if stopped where they caught the ball). I know drops are a part of the game, but if you're going to blame Fromm for everything while playing the what-if game, we might as well play this one. If you give Fromm 6 extra completions and 43 extra yards (as well as count those two INTs as incompletions), Fromm now has a rating of 151.25.

Buck Belue was 1/13 for 7 yards in the 1980 championship game and we still won. Could he have done more? Of course! But we won all the same. Fromm wasn't why we lost to Alabama. He could have been perfect and we still could have lost due to other factors that are out of his control. You can point to a few of his throws/decisions and say that if he did better, we would have won. But, you can say the same thing about nearly everyone on that field. You could say that about the bogus off sides penalty on the blocked punt. It's a team game and in spite of your criticism of Fromm, he likely would have have a national championship under his belt if it weren't for that blown coverage on the last play. And frankly, I thought he played very well considering that he was a true freshman playing in the biggest game in college football. While he made some bad throws, he had just as many great ones.

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Let’s review the end of that game to see what more he could have done:

1. We only went to OT because Bama missed an easy fg after Fromm failed to lead us down the field on the final drive. That’s the kind of drive that requires a qb to lead a team down the field for a win, but he missed an open swift on 3rd down. Punt to tua = bad idea.
We "only" went to OT because of a missed FG? Special teams is a part of the game. It's another thing that needs to be executed properly or it could cost you games. We executed well on ST and they didn't. That's part of the game and happens even when QBs play well.

That said, Fromm had a defender right in his path. If he throws the ball lower it could have been batted down. It wasn't a great throw, obviously, but you make it sound like Fromm had an open lane to throw in. He didn't.

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2. OT gave uga the ball in scoring Position. The offense didn’t have to gain one yard.
Is this an argument? Could Fromm have improved on what he was asked to do in this situation?

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3. We only took the lead on a clutch special teams play after fromm took a terrible 13 yard sack. Give rod credit, not the offense.
Fromm had a defender rush right up the middle largely unblocked. He was faster than Fromm. By the time Fromm was out of the pocket to throw the ball away, he had three Bama defenders within 3-4 yards of him, including one in the lane where Fromm would need to throw the ball out of bounds. That was good defense by Bama and it was a spectacular play by Hot Rod, but it's again hard to pin the lack of protection on Fromm.

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4. Tua’s td would not have won the game if fromm threw one himself. It’s not good to settle for a fg with the first possession of OT.
While that's true, play calling and execution (by those other than Fromm, as well) had a part to play there. There is context to consider and it's not as easy as "just throw a TD!" against one of the best defenses in the nation when pass blocking breaks down on 3rd down.

What you rightly point out is that there are things that could have gone differently that could have secured a victory for the good guys. You seem to be wanting to place all the blame on Fromm instead of spreading it around to our defense, the refs, and our receivers who dropped a half dozen balls throughout the game.

The fact of the matter is that with Fromm quarterbacking for us, we had the lead in overtime against Bama and they needed a great throw against blown coverage to win.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33119 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:28 pm to
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You don't have to get mad just because you're being challenged.


A “you are mad” flame? Come on. I expected better from you.

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wasn't a great throw but it's one Wimms should have caught. Brown didn't even know where the ball was. He wasn't actively defending the ball. He just sort of got in the way and the ball dropped into his hands for the INT.


As for the play, It wasn’t even a good throw. It was a bad throw. Fromm enabled the db to recover after getting burnt. If it should have been anything, It should have been a td. Those 7 would have come in handy and made fromm’s passer rating much better. In fact, it goes from a 108 to 147, which is much closer to what the 14 QB's who have beaten Bama have done.

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consider that our receivers did not haul in 6 throws that could have been caught totaling 43 additional yards


I am gonna have to see these 6 plays to make sure they were good, accurate passes. You can’t fully blame the wr if the ball isn’t on target and time.

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It's a team game


Of course it is, but Bama is gonna force plays to breakdown. When a pass play breaks down due to poor blocking, or when the run game is controlled, or when the D gives up a score, you want a qb who can overcome those issues and still make positive plays happen. Clutch plays and accurate passes and positive rushing yards, they all matter.

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You seem to be wanting to place all the blame on Fromm


No, thats not the intent. The subject of discussion is how well our QB played, so it makes sense to focus on the QB, and compare him to other QB's vs Bama. Point is, our qb didn’t make enough plays, and teams who beat Bama usually have a QB play better than ours did, which shows up in a box score and play by play review. Its no coincidence.
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