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Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:41 am
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:41 am
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The most damning indictment for McElwain's staff is how the Gators struggle too often with simple things.
An illegal substitution in the red zone stalled UF's promising opening drive against Texas A&M; instead of challenging for a touchdown, the Gators settled for a field goal in a 19-17 loss.
UF ran only 54 plays against LSU, partially because it couldn't get the calls in efficiently.
"It's on me," McElwain said.
So is this: The Gators were in A&M territory with six seconds left in the half. Rather than take a shot in the end zone or fire a short pass to set up a field goal, UF threw an intermediate incompletion.
"We didn't have an ability to stop (the clock)," McElwain said.
Except UF still had one timeout left.
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Only four teams in the country have fewer touchdown passes than UF (four), and that grim figure could easily be worse: Two came when Kentucky left receivers unguarded, and a third was Feleipe Franks' 63-yard miracle that beat Tennessee.
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UF's get-it-to list would look much different if receiver Antonio Callaway and running back Jordan Scarlett weren't among the nine suspended players facing felony complaints of credit card fraud. But the old cliché is true: You recruit your own problems. And McElwain didn't only recruit Callaway and Scarlett; he kept them after previous off-field issues.
Regardless, the Gators' other skill players haven't developed enough. None of the seven offensive players (excluding linemen) McElwain signed in his first class have even touched the ball this season. Of the six blue-chip receivers/running backs UF landed in 2016-17, only one (receiver Tyrie Cleveland) has more than 140 yards this fall.
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McElwain has had plenty of time to turn things around. He recruited all five starting linemen, the five leading rushers, three of the top four receivers and the starting quarterback.
Yet he still hasn't done what UF brought him to do. His offense remains more bust than blast.
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UF under Jim McElwain, 2015-present (national rank)
Scoring: 23.6 ppg (No. 108)
Passer rating: 125.95 (No. 87)
TD/INT ratio: 1.45 (No. 93)
Yards per pass attempt: 7.05 (No. 82)
Yards per rush: 3.77 (No. 104)
Rushing TDs: 41 (No. 101)
Sacks allowed: 93 (seventh worst)
UF under Will Muschamp, 2011-14 (national rank)
Scoring: 25.3 (No. 90)
Passer rating: 124.59 (No. 87)
TD/INT ratio: 1.34 (No. 101)
Yards per pass attempt: 6.86 (No. 86)
Yards per rush: 4.14 (No. 78)
Rushing TDs: 75 (No. 73)
Sacks allowed: 106 (48th worst)
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Four years after leaving Muschamp's Gators for North Carolina State, Jacoby Brissett starts for the Colts. Two years after starring for half a season under McElwain, West Virginia's Will Grier leads the nation with 21 touchdown passes; he threw as many in the final 21 minutes against Texas Tech as UF has all season.
Lulz:
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His track record on the offensive side of the ball is special. You can look it up, see the records." — Florida then-athletic director Jeremy Foley, December 2014
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I believe I can win with my dog Claire-a-bell (at quarterback)." — McElwain, December 2014
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Improving the offense) certainly is one of the things, as we all know, that I was brought here to do, and it hasn't been done yet." — McElwain, August 2017
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Last time I checked," offensive coordinator Doug Nussmeier said in March, "greatness wasn't defined by age or experience".
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This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 4:43 pm
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Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:29 am to TJGator1215
Why not drop the stat that we are 17th in the country in total defense? Or that we are 20th in the country in total passing defense with a high school secondary? Too positive for you?
Karma is a bitch and I hope you can learn to enjoy life someday before it destroys you.
Karma is a bitch and I hope you can learn to enjoy life someday before it destroys you.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:00 pm to reel_gator8
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Why not drop the stat that we are 17th in the country in total defense? Or that we are 20th in the country in total passing defense with a high school secondary?
The defense came into the season without much experience, and has also faced a ton of injuries and suspensions, yet they somehow manage to be a well functioning unit.
If injuries, suspensions and experience aren't holding back the defense, why then is the offensive staff continuously given a pass for a unit that can't break into the top 100?
This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:03 pm to bgator85
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If injuries, suspensions and experience aren't holding back the defense, why then is the offensive staff continuously given a pass
Because its a fact that the defense is always ahead of the offense. Which is a tougher position, DE/LB/DB or QB???
Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:07 pm to reel_gator8
We're #36 In total defense. #57 In passing defense? Why do you lie?
Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:09 pm to dbuchanon
Every player on offense has been in the system as least 2 years except Davis and Toney. If QB so hard why aren't Texas, VT, Iowa ST Or fsu having trouble scoring with freshman QBs? Btw FSU is ahead of us in total offense
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Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:10 pm to dbuchanon
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Because its a fact that the defense is always ahead of the offense. Which is a tougher position, DE/LB/DB or QB???
How many years do you think it should take in a system before an offensive player should be able to contribute? LDR knew the offense as well as the coaches, why was the offense not better under him?
This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:43 pm to bgator85
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How many years do you think it should take in a system before an offensive player should be able to contribute? LDR knew the offense as well as the coaches, why was the offense not better under him?
It absolutely was better under him.
Franks vs. Kentucky was 0 for 7 and LDR was 5 of 7 on 3rd down with him getting a crucial 4th down conversion. We get more plays out of Del Rio -- specifically more snaps and the offense moves faster under him.
Del Rio's passing motion also looked much better, along with his release and how he moved in the pocket. He had a much better pocket presence and got unlucky that a defensive lineman landed on his shoulder the way it did.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 2:11 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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It absolutely was better under him.
Franks vs. Kentucky was 0 for 7 and LDR was 5 of 7 on 3rd down with him getting a crucial 4th down conversion. We get more plays out of Del Rio -- specifically more snaps and the offense moves faster under him.
And the next game the offense looked better under Franks. They actually sped the tempo up quite a bit with Franks against A&M during Mac's scripted plays, so he's more than capable of handling that pace. Why Nuss went away from that is anyone's guess.
At the end of the day I think we may be talking marginal gains. I haven't seen anything from LDR during his time here that suggests his playing would have meant this would have gone from a 102nd ranked offense to top 50.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 2:11 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
How did ldr look against vandy Compared to franks? They both aren't good QBs. Ldr because he doesn't have talent and franks because he's lost.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 3:00 pm to bgator85
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And the next game the offense looked better under Franks.
Absolutely not. Franks threw two very dangerous balls into double coverage and got bailed out by receivers, he didn't have nearly the execution that Del Rio had and we won the game by fricking running the other team into the ground.
He didn't have a single clutch play in the Vandy game and that continued all the way through to A&M on a single run.
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At the end of the day I think we may be talking marginal gains. I haven't seen anything from LDR during his time here that suggests his playing would have meant this would have gone from a 102nd ranked offense to top 50.
Not without our top weapons on defense, it is what it is.
If USC can lose 5 players for the season and have excuses for performing bad, we should be able to lose 17 and have the same excuse. I don't know how many teams you guys can throw in Florida's face, only to have those teams run into fricking buzzsaws -- FSU, Michigan, USC, Washington State. It's bizarre.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 3:07 pm to TJGator1215
mac has made his share of mistakes for sure. i would also say that he's playing with the deck he's been dealt.
if we had grier or del rio at qb, we woulda beat lsu and a&m. not gonna hit on every player you recruit. people say that they haven't developed franks, but grier looked like he was coming along just fine.
maybe mac isn't the all-world coach we want, but he easily gets 2018. we all loved mac in 2015 with the qb situation and oline we had.
if we had grier or del rio at qb, we woulda beat lsu and a&m. not gonna hit on every player you recruit. people say that they haven't developed franks, but grier looked like he was coming along just fine.
maybe mac isn't the all-world coach we want, but he easily gets 2018. we all loved mac in 2015 with the qb situation and oline we had.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 3:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Post their stats for the Vandy game and show me how LDR is absolutely better then Franks .
You only want to talk about the Kentucky game where the team was better with LDR . Didn’t Franks have a better game against Kentucky and Vandy then LDR? Vandy struggled to stop offenses for weeks but they did good against the great LDR and the Gator offense when he was leading them .
You only want to talk about the Kentucky game where the team was better with LDR . Didn’t Franks have a better game against Kentucky and Vandy then LDR? Vandy struggled to stop offenses for weeks but they did good against the great LDR and the Gator offense when he was leading them .
Posted on 10/22/17 at 3:42 pm to reel_gator8
So you want to brag about our defense when the offense hasn’t improved in 2.5 year and our head coach is a offensive guy ? By the time you guys want Mac fired we will be in Tennessee’s shoes . Accountability means nothing to you guys . You guys talk up the team when predicting the teams records and then make excuses for the team not even coming close to them . Do you guys do it to cover up your homer picks to try and deflect away from looking like clowns ? Do you guys feel it’s better to double down on looking stupid then admit you were wrong? The guys with unrealistic expectations have the excuses every year . You guys should be the ones that want a new coach because your expectations are 11-1 every year . This team is already worse then you guys thought and it’s possible that it will be worse then TJ predicted. Let that sink in. You guys insult him for being negative all the time and the team may finish worse then he expected.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 3:49 pm to tjv305
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guys with unrealistic expectations
You mean like Mac being fired??
Posted on 10/22/17 at 3:52 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Absolutely not. Franks threw two very dangerous balls into double coverage and got bailed out by receivers, he didn't have nearly the execution that Del Rio had and we won the game by fricking running the other team into the ground.
The offense was going nowhere under LDR. LDR threw an INT against UK on a terrible throw, doesn't mean the offense didn't perform better under him in that game. Wasn't any different during Vandy, the offense moved better under Franks and he was more productive.
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Not without our top weapons on defense, it is what it is.
If USC can lose 5 players for the season and have excuses for performing bad, we should be able to lose 17 and have the same excuse. I don't know how many teams you guys can throw in Florida's face, only to have those teams run into fricking buzzsaws -- FSU, Michigan, USC, Washington State. It's bizarre.
I'm guessing you mean offense? The defense has lost a ton of players and is performing fine, doesn't seem to be much of an issue for them.
I came into this season expecting progress. At what point have we seen any significant progress over last year or the year before? I haven't mentioned other teams because I'm looking at progress against ourselves.
I know that we have talented RBs, we have the hand-picked starter at QB and an experienced OL. I know that we have the talent to have an offense in the top 100. There is no good reason this team's offensive production should be as putrid as it has been for this long.
This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 10/22/17 at 3:53 pm to tjv305
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should be the ones that want a new coach because your expectations are 11-1 every year
Please name this HC that we can hire tomorrow that will make this happen. LSU had a yr to find a new HC, they hired their damn DL coach. Its slim pickings out there for PROVEN HC's willing to move.
Urban lol
Saban lol
Richt lol
Kirby lol
Harbaugh lol
Jimbo lol
Patterson lol
Peterson lol
Dabo lol
I miss anyone??
Posted on 10/22/17 at 4:48 pm to dbuchanon
If Scott stricklin is as dumb as Allows the entire AD administration should be fired on the spot. You don't keep mediocre coaches because you may make a mistake that's what led to Mac in the 1st place.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 4:56 pm to TJGator1215
You dont make change for the sake of change. If you fire Mac now you'd better have a fkn grand slam homerun, straight royal flush, dk swinging past his knees HC coming in ready to wreck shite. If not, thats another 3-4 years..
So again, shoot out some names. Ill be fully on board if you can name a guy we can land who can do this. I like some coaches, but they may make our offense fun again, doesnt mean theyll win titles. Can they beat Saban here? Thats the question.
So again, shoot out some names. Ill be fully on board if you can name a guy we can land who can do this. I like some coaches, but they may make our offense fun again, doesnt mean theyll win titles. Can they beat Saban here? Thats the question.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 5:14 pm to dbuchanon
that's my take.
i can see
mullen, leach or babers, but could we get someone like gundy? also think kingsbury would kill it at uf.
people knock some coaches defenses, but they just don't have talent on that side of the ball and have to scheme around things. have to have talent for defense.
i think we fricked up not taking charlie strong instead of muschamp when meyer left. i think he woulda been lights out here. texas is a huge mess and not really his type of place.
i can see
mullen, leach or babers, but could we get someone like gundy? also think kingsbury would kill it at uf.
people knock some coaches defenses, but they just don't have talent on that side of the ball and have to scheme around things. have to have talent for defense.
i think we fricked up not taking charlie strong instead of muschamp when meyer left. i think he woulda been lights out here. texas is a huge mess and not really his type of place.
This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 5:16 pm
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