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Why having the 9 suspended players wouldn't have mattered
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:27 pm
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As it turned out, Florida would find more than adequate replacements for those two starters. Freshman running back Malik Davis has rushed for 506 yards in five games of action, plus one carry against Michigan, which means he is well on his way to surpass the 889 yards Jordan Scarlett rushed for as the featured back last year in one or two fewer games, pending Florida’s bowl eligibility. And while not the purebred receiver Callaway is, freshman Kadarius Toney is even more naturally explosive, while Tyrie Cleveland is taller and more of a physical matchup problem than him. Florida is also able to replace those two by committee with its depth at both positions. Despite being overshadowed by Davis, LaMical Perine has totaled a healthy 272 yards on 63 carries so far this year, with Mark Thompson proving to be a relatively strong third string running back with the few opportunities he’s had in his career. And even with the injuries to Cleveland and Toney, Florida isn’t hurting for bodies at receiver, either. Wideouts Freddie Swain and Josh Hammond and tight ends DeAndre Goolsby and C’yontai Lewis have, for the most part, done well when given the chances to do so. That gave Florida four adequate weapons to utilize without its top three in the mix, and that was before Dre Massey finally gave us a taste of what he can do.
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It wouldn’t solve the Gators’ decade-long struggles at quarterback. Feleipe Franks is now the sixth player to have taken a snap at QB for Florida under Jim McElwain. None of the six have looked particularly great for more than one game, and that game was played two years ago with a guy named Will Grier that Florida no longer has. Franks consistently misses reads, stares down receivers, and is woefully inaccurate. Worst of all, he seems to have no feel for the position, which not even the mightiest of cannons for arms can compensate for. A common excuse is that he’s raw as a redshirt freshman, but that’s even worse. He was redshirted for the purpose of learning and improving for a year behind the scenes before being thrown into game action, and this is what we get? Meanwhile, up in Athens, true freshman Jake Fromm looks leagues better than Franks despite not having that redshirt year to grow.
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It wouldn’t solve the Gators’ issues with play-calling. Doug Nussmeier is the one of the worst I’ve ever seen at adjusting to what a defense does, and we’ve gotten to see this on loop for two and a half years
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It wouldn’t solve the Gators’ overall game-planning and decision making woes. And that goes for McElwain, Nussmeier, special teams coach Greg Nord and defensive coordinator Randy Shannon.
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It wouldn’t solve McElwain’s inability to manage the clock. Mac has now botched end-of-game/half sequences in egregious manners twice this year alone with the kind of tactical errors that most coaches don’t make more than once in their careers.
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By no means am I saying that the whole credit card incident is immaterial. It sucks having two of your most proven players taken away from you, particularly when it’s for something as felonious and downright stupid as credit card fraud. Of course this team would be in better shape if it had those nine guys. But the issues we’re seeing this year aren’t new. Florida is losing football games because of the same issues that have haunted them since Jim McElwain arrived, and in fact since the departure of Tim Tebow. The Gators lost plenty of games with McElwain at full strength in his first two years (or at least full strength minus Grier). If Florida had gone 12-2 with Sugar and Peach Bowl wins and top 25 offenses in 2015 and 2016, it would be different, but that’s not what happened. So we don’t get to look at the struggles this team is facing right now as anything other than continued patterns of ineptitude under Mac. I’m not calling to fire McElwain, at least not yet. All I’m saying is that I’m not fooled by the smoke screens or excuses. And wherever you as the individual reader stands regarding McElwain, I pray that you aren’t either.
I hope he gets fired for the good of the program.
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Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:28 pm to TJGator1215
You're not allowed to call out individual players for not playing well.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:30 pm to TJGator1215
TJ I somewhat agree with your first paragraph...the others were written in Chinese 
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:41 pm to TJGator1215
Losing Callaway was a big time harm, Scarlett, too. Scarlett is bigger, stronger, fast, capable. Malik Davis is great, so is Perine, but having the three of them would have been way better.
Losing the depth at LB and the DL is going to hurt quite a bit soon.
You can't just say: Oh yeah, losing 9 scholarship players won't make a difference -- Jimbo Fisher lost one and his offense is fricked.
Harbaugh lost one and HIS offense is fricked.
A junior, fast, capable receiver along with Cleveland with a big, strong, fast, capable back would absolutely have helped Franks.
This is by far the worst post you've made, and you've had some doozies.
Losing those players to have others step up isn't the point -- it's that they could all play at the same time.
Cleveland, Callaway and Toney lining up would be a fricking hazard to cover with Scarlett threatening to run at you?
Losing the depth at LB and the DL is going to hurt quite a bit soon.
You can't just say: Oh yeah, losing 9 scholarship players won't make a difference -- Jimbo Fisher lost one and his offense is fricked.
Harbaugh lost one and HIS offense is fricked.
A junior, fast, capable receiver along with Cleveland with a big, strong, fast, capable back would absolutely have helped Franks.
This is by far the worst post you've made, and you've had some doozies.
Losing those players to have others step up isn't the point -- it's that they could all play at the same time.
Cleveland, Callaway and Toney lining up would be a fricking hazard to cover with Scarlett threatening to run at you?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:43 pm to TJGator1215
Also, in all kinds of weather is a fricking clown and the farthest thing away from being a credible voice or reporter.
Of course the suspensions are hurting UF. Depth wise and personnel wise. If you think Florida is better to not have Callaway or Scarlett on the field, you're an idiot.
Also, Fromm has been good but far from incredible. He's protected by an elite defense and a couple of great senior running backs. Last game he played well, but it was the first time he was forced to throw a ton. And Mizzous defense is not Floridas defense.
The young defense has progressed admirably this year. Right on schedule I'd say. We played our best game of the year defensively against a solid A&M offense. I would like to see some more exotic packages, but they've progressed as they should, the linebackers have played better and better, and I think this defensive line is one of the best in the conference. It's ridiculous that the offense couldn't score 20 points and win the game for us. Unacceptable.
The common denominator of bad offense is Nuss. Everywhere Mac has been, he's been successful on offense. Everywhere Nuss has been, terrible offense has followed. I think we've gotten to the point where a new playcaller is necessary. I really wish Mac would call the plays and be more hands on with the development of the quarterbacks because it's his offense and we've seen what the offense looks like when it's run properly. It's on the coaches that Franks isn't where he needs to be, but considering where he was when he stepped on campus, it's obvious he has made some progress. He needs to progress more though, and this is an important week for his development. He needs to study his arse off figuring out what players are open on certain play calls and get himself where he sees those open receivers. The playcalling, obviously, needs to be better. We have a gem in Malik Davis and we need to get him the ball. We have an electric athlete in Kadarius Toney, we have a deep threat in Cleveland and another possible weapon coming with James Robinson being cleared to play.
There's no reason for the offense to not be better with what we do have. But I think it's silly to pretend that the offense wouldnt be better if we had Callaway and Scarlett.
Of course the suspensions are hurting UF. Depth wise and personnel wise. If you think Florida is better to not have Callaway or Scarlett on the field, you're an idiot.
Also, Fromm has been good but far from incredible. He's protected by an elite defense and a couple of great senior running backs. Last game he played well, but it was the first time he was forced to throw a ton. And Mizzous defense is not Floridas defense.
The young defense has progressed admirably this year. Right on schedule I'd say. We played our best game of the year defensively against a solid A&M offense. I would like to see some more exotic packages, but they've progressed as they should, the linebackers have played better and better, and I think this defensive line is one of the best in the conference. It's ridiculous that the offense couldn't score 20 points and win the game for us. Unacceptable.
The common denominator of bad offense is Nuss. Everywhere Mac has been, he's been successful on offense. Everywhere Nuss has been, terrible offense has followed. I think we've gotten to the point where a new playcaller is necessary. I really wish Mac would call the plays and be more hands on with the development of the quarterbacks because it's his offense and we've seen what the offense looks like when it's run properly. It's on the coaches that Franks isn't where he needs to be, but considering where he was when he stepped on campus, it's obvious he has made some progress. He needs to progress more though, and this is an important week for his development. He needs to study his arse off figuring out what players are open on certain play calls and get himself where he sees those open receivers. The playcalling, obviously, needs to be better. We have a gem in Malik Davis and we need to get him the ball. We have an electric athlete in Kadarius Toney, we have a deep threat in Cleveland and another possible weapon coming with James Robinson being cleared to play.
There's no reason for the offense to not be better with what we do have. But I think it's silly to pretend that the offense wouldnt be better if we had Callaway and Scarlett.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 7:14 pm to TJGator1215
I think it does hurt us but not as much as the Mac supporters think. Scarlett being out is not a big because Perine and Davis are pretty comparable to him if not better. They don't even get enough roughed do adding him to the mix would not help much . Callaway hurts the most but he is likely done with all of the trouble HC gets into . These players wouldn't help as much as a offensive mind running this team. Losing Grier was bigger then all of these guys combined .
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:58 am to tjv305
Agreed. Macs hubris is what kills me the most. Especially with the way he was treated by Mac and "fans". Yet AC81 doesn't get a lot of blame from MAC or Macs fanboys
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Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:03 am to TJGator1215
The suspensions hurt. A lot.
Psychologically and with depth more than anything.
In a game of inches the last two weeks UF probably wins by just adding back AC and Scarlett.
Psychologically and with depth more than anything.
In a game of inches the last two weeks UF probably wins by just adding back AC and Scarlett.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:07 am to slayerxing
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n a game of inches the last two weeks UF probably wins by just adding back AC and Scarlett.
Hell, Tyrie or Toney we probably win
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:17 am to dbuchanon
Truth. This staff has no luck whatsoever with injuries and such. None.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:20 am to TJGator1215
Only an idiot believes this isnt a different offense with Callaway, Cleveland and Toney starting as our 3 WRs
Having Callaway the last 2 games with the other two injured probably turns the tide.
Having Callaway the last 2 games with the other two injured probably turns the tide.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:53 am to dbuchanon
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Only an idiot believes this isnt a different offense with Callaway, Cleveland, Toney, LDR and Scarlett.
I get what he's saying -- that the players have otherwise produced the same, but what TJ and this writer don't understand is that it's not about getting production from that position alone.
Cleveland will probably put up the same numbers as Callaway last year if he's healthy, but if they're working together it causes the defense to change its philosophy.
Swain and Hammond are not ''run out, jump up, snatch the ball from you'' receivers. So the defense only has to put their CB on them and it's no sweat.
Callaway is that type, and if you don't have a Safety over top, you might get fricked, same with Cleveland. Now when you have BOTH of those guys starting at two sides of the field, suddenly the safety can't creep up, the cornerback is on an island otherwise.
So I get it from a pure production standpoint, but to think that Callaway lining up with Cleveland and Toney isn't hurting the offense is absolute clown shoes.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 2:11 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Scarlett is like the perfect balance to Davis.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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So I get it from a pure production standpoint, but to think that Callaway lining up with Cleveland and Toney isn't hurting the offense is absolute clown shoes.
With our play calling it wouldn't make nearly as much of a difference as it would with a good play caller. Those guys would be almost unstoppable together with someone like Petrino calling plays on offense . Toney will likely be the only one that will get a shot to show his full potential. Cleveland is the most important WR on the team because he can make big plays going deep one on one .
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:12 pm to tjv305
Cant blame playcalling when WRs are running open but not hit
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:13 pm to tjv305
Exactly. It's like they ignore that Nuss is the OC. Look at the games where we had AC81 and Cleveland and Scarlett. The offense was still trash. Mac and Co have no idea how to use these guys
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:20 pm to dbuchanon
Well the only QB that's been any good in Macs system here was Grier who was Muschamps guy . It's sad 3 years in and he still doesn't have a QB . Will he ever let his dog play QB so we can start winning with offense ?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:43 pm to tjv305
Grier looked good in 1.5 games. He looked pedestrian in this system.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:27 pm to tjv305
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With our play calling it wouldn't make nearly as much of a difference as it would with a good play caller. Those guys would be almost unstoppable together with someone like Petrino calling plays on offense . Toney will likely be the only one that will get a shot to show his full potential. Cleveland is the most important WR on the team because he can make big plays going deep one on one .
We won't see those three together, so how can you possibly think the playcalling wouldn't change?
We're limited right now with what Franks can do -- he has no idea how to read the defense, blitz packages and the like and so he doesn't know to check out. Del Rio did. Del Rio did it to a T in the KY game (watch it again).
Franks is young and was missing four of the top playmakers for our team against A&M. The offense improved, the defense improved despite the injuries and suspensions to both units.
I can tell you right now: With Toney, Cleveland and Callway all lining up together with Corral at QB, we'd be unstoppable. A defense will have no idea what the frick we're going to do -- even with Perine/Davis in the backfield. They won't be able to commit to the run because those three can't be covered 1 on 1, and they can't commit to the pass because Davis can't be contained by one player.
We need a healthy offense, wash away all the bad shite that's happened and move forward. We will be just fine.
You guys will probably be very sad in the next few years, though.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:33 pm to tjv305
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It's sad 3 years in and he still doesn't have a QB .
Hasnt been here 3 years. Hired Dec 14. This is his 2nd full recruiting cycle.
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