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re: Ole Miss: Please start playing 'From Dixie With Love' again
Posted on 5/20/17 at 2:31 pm to Sunbeam
Posted on 5/20/17 at 2:31 pm to Sunbeam
Come on, Sunbeam. You think it makes people feel all warm and fuzzy to be surrounded by symbols which celebrate slavery? And you can remind me that you and others don't see them that way, but the fact that many of them (and some of us) DO is justification enough...because the association of the Confederacy to slavery is utterly enjoined and undeniable.
The whole "only black feelings matter?" is the same oblivious question as the people who want to chant "All lives matter". Black people's feelings matter equally, but they have never had political power equal to their representation in the population, PARTICULARLY in the Deep South, and that is why we're even having this discussion.
The whole "only black feelings matter?" is the same oblivious question as the people who want to chant "All lives matter". Black people's feelings matter equally, but they have never had political power equal to their representation in the population, PARTICULARLY in the Deep South, and that is why we're even having this discussion.
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Posted on 5/20/17 at 3:18 pm to Crimson Legend
We aren't having a discussion. Not a real one anyway.
Colonel Reb was removed. No form of Dixie is played by the Ole Miss band anywhere, Grove or game.
So what changed. What got better?
Now:
This is where I wonder how much you actually know. There is a kind of meme, in liberal circles (can't type SJ- oops again), that blacks are curled up in the fetal position in the darkness, helpless to do anything, let alone move. Unless the historic symbols of their oppression are removed. This makes a liberal feel warm and fuzzy.
The truth is that blacks have the highest self-esteem of anyone in America. Even when it makes no sense, even if there is no hope, they feel good about themselves. Neuroticism, is your thing, it's not a black thing.
Colin Quinn had a standup bit once, about a black guy in handcuffs by a police car taking the time to chat up a female bystander and asking her for a date. That is the reality (yeah, yeah standup comic).
As for the bit about political power not equal to their representation in the population. Do tell.
Both of us know full well about literacy tests, poll taxes, and the like. Though I can tell you that election fraud is an American tradition and it is no stranger to a number of American locales such as NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, ad infinitum.
My uncle told me a story once (he was from Alexandria) about one of the Long's throwing hams to a crowd off the back of a truck. Anyway...
Blacks are so much of the population. They vote in a bloc more than any other American ethnicity. As far as I know (and trust me, the Feds eyeball southern elections like they never do up north), there is no widespread electoral fraud in any of the Old Confederate states. If you know otherwise, enlighten me.
So tell me. They have numbers. They vote together. Other than gerrymandered districts, why aren't they getting their fair share of political power?
And to be blunt, the gerrymandered districts act to increase the number of black representatives, by concentrating black voters in certain districts. But once again these sorts of things are regulated by the Feds, and certain standards have to be met.
So 2017. Why is it that blacks don't have their proper amount of representation? Do you want to have the districts gerrymandered another way? To spread out black voters just enough to discount a lesser number of white voters in particular districts? I don't think you have the math even in Mississippi (right now). Certainly a strategy though. If you take the state house (then why do you need it exactly?).
Of course you'd probably get more white Democrats getting elected. That what you after? So blacks can be represented by their fair share of white Democrats? Though to be objective about it, that would probably mean less elected blacks in office.
Geez that was longer than I meant to write. But long story short, if you are going to have racially polarized voting (and that is widespread in America), blacks have about as much political power as they are going to get given the current census numbers.
And funny thing about those census numbers. Hispanics are spreading out in Dixie now. It's going to become an issue in Arkansas and Louisiana first. But interesting times are coming if anyone is interested in that.
Colonel Reb was removed. No form of Dixie is played by the Ole Miss band anywhere, Grove or game.
So what changed. What got better?
Now:
quote:
You think it makes people feel all warm and fuzzy to be surrounded by symbols which celebrate slavery?
This is where I wonder how much you actually know. There is a kind of meme, in liberal circles (can't type SJ- oops again), that blacks are curled up in the fetal position in the darkness, helpless to do anything, let alone move. Unless the historic symbols of their oppression are removed. This makes a liberal feel warm and fuzzy.
The truth is that blacks have the highest self-esteem of anyone in America. Even when it makes no sense, even if there is no hope, they feel good about themselves. Neuroticism, is your thing, it's not a black thing.
Colin Quinn had a standup bit once, about a black guy in handcuffs by a police car taking the time to chat up a female bystander and asking her for a date. That is the reality (yeah, yeah standup comic).
As for the bit about political power not equal to their representation in the population. Do tell.
Both of us know full well about literacy tests, poll taxes, and the like. Though I can tell you that election fraud is an American tradition and it is no stranger to a number of American locales such as NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, ad infinitum.
My uncle told me a story once (he was from Alexandria) about one of the Long's throwing hams to a crowd off the back of a truck. Anyway...
Blacks are so much of the population. They vote in a bloc more than any other American ethnicity. As far as I know (and trust me, the Feds eyeball southern elections like they never do up north), there is no widespread electoral fraud in any of the Old Confederate states. If you know otherwise, enlighten me.
So tell me. They have numbers. They vote together. Other than gerrymandered districts, why aren't they getting their fair share of political power?
And to be blunt, the gerrymandered districts act to increase the number of black representatives, by concentrating black voters in certain districts. But once again these sorts of things are regulated by the Feds, and certain standards have to be met.
So 2017. Why is it that blacks don't have their proper amount of representation? Do you want to have the districts gerrymandered another way? To spread out black voters just enough to discount a lesser number of white voters in particular districts? I don't think you have the math even in Mississippi (right now). Certainly a strategy though. If you take the state house (then why do you need it exactly?).
Of course you'd probably get more white Democrats getting elected. That what you after? So blacks can be represented by their fair share of white Democrats? Though to be objective about it, that would probably mean less elected blacks in office.
Geez that was longer than I meant to write. But long story short, if you are going to have racially polarized voting (and that is widespread in America), blacks have about as much political power as they are going to get given the current census numbers.
And funny thing about those census numbers. Hispanics are spreading out in Dixie now. It's going to become an issue in Arkansas and Louisiana first. But interesting times are coming if anyone is interested in that.
This post was edited on 5/20/17 at 3:22 pm
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