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re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi?
Posted on 4/18/17 at 2:29 pm to JustGetItRight
Posted on 4/18/17 at 2:29 pm to JustGetItRight
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Jedi student turns on his master, later killed a beloved character.
I'm drawing a blank on this one. Who's the Jedi in The Force Awakens you're referring to?
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Jedi hero has gone into seclusion and the god guys really want to find him.
The difference being Yoda had given up while Luke was just waiting.
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Unknown Jedi on a desert planet, a lovable robot, and a guy with questionable motives team up to destroy planet killing super weapon. They even go to a bar full of sketchy characters.
This one you're right. It's the same thing but a totally different flavor. The Jedi's a female, the rascal is a goofy black guy, and the robot is nothing like the other two. It's not a copy but a story arc for the descendants. The bar just reminds you of that.
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The only thing different is the bad guy lacks Vader's confidence and the new hero is a cute chick. Aside from that, it is A New Hope with better special effects.
Vader went from bad to good. The new guy will be the opposite. His lack of confidence is probably what will lead him to the light side. As for the cute chick, I have no complaints.
This next one could be the best in the lot. I would also put it at 20/1 there's an ewok sighting.
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Rogue One painted the rebellion in a far more realistic light. When fighting a superpower, even the good guys must use harsh means and they showed it. They showed how in a rebellion, not everyone is in it for the same reasons, and they showed that there is a very high price to pay for pulling on superman's cape. All in all, it was far more edgy than the others. They also wove it into the first movie quite nicely and the special effects and scenery were fantastic.
Edgy? I'll give you that. All day.... but you want to talk about rehash? "hey let's test the death star by blowing stuff up and sending a message." "We will use the death star to crush the rebellion." "we must stop the death star".... "This time instead of a cantina full of aliens let's use a market square instead." "Hey, I have an idea, let's make a star wars without lightsabers"..."You don't think that's too edgy?"..."Nah, let's do it, the non-conformists will love it."
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 2:32 pm
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Posted on 4/18/17 at 2:57 pm to hogNsinceReagan
OK, so I really liked The Force Awakens, but I am a servant of accuracy, regardless of what side anyone's trying to argue here. 
of course, using the term "Jedi" very loosely. Both play the same role, though, so whether or not they were "Jedi"
officially or not really doesn't make a difference.
quote:Ben Solo,
I'm drawing a blank on this one. Who's the Jedi in The Force Awakens you're referring to?
of course, using the term "Jedi" very loosely. Both play the same role, though, so whether or not they were "Jedi"
officially or not really doesn't make a difference.
quote:We've got no evidence that Luke was "just waiting." Actually all signs point to Luke having exactly pulled a Yoda, secluding himself with no intention of ever being found and never teaching the ways of the Force again.
The difference being Yoda had given up while Luke was just waiting.
quote:The "rascal" is probably Poe Dameron, but nobody really fits the Han Solo role to a T in TFA. Finn has been heavily, heavily foreshadowed to be a Force user, too.
This one you're right. It's the same thing but a totally different flavor. The Jedi's a female, the rascal is a goofy black guy, and the robot is nothing like the other two. It's not a copy but a story arc for the descendants. The bar just reminds you of that.
quote:Here's the first thing I can agree with you 100% on!
This next one could be the best in the lot.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 4:33 pm to hogNsinceReagan
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but you want to talk about rehash? "hey let's test the death star by blowing stuff up and sending a message." "We will use the death star to crush the rebellion." "we must stop the death star".... "This time instead of a cantina full of aliens let's use a market square instead."
The gator covered the rest, but as for rehash? See what the Vol posted. The movie's purpose (well, other than to make a ton of money) was to put flesh on the opening scroll of A New Hope. Since it was based on that, we knew there would be a Death Star, lots of rebels would die, and they'd succeed in stealing the plans. Expecting anything different would be akin to watching a movie about WW2 and being surprised the Japanese didn't win. That's not a rehash, first because the story hadn't previously been told and second because telling it was the purpose.
Now, the cantina, really? You're going to compare a scene in a "wretched hive of scum and villany" where one set of heroes use restrained self defense and a second shoots the guy trying to kidnap him to a scene were the HEROES stage a large ambush in a market crowded with civilians?
It isn't the same at all. There's nothing pushing the envelope about a murderer with "the death sentence on us him in 12 systems" getting his budddy's arm chopped off because his mouth wrote a check their arses couldn't cash. But having the heroes ignore the risk to involved civilians right after one of the heroes summarily dispatched an informant because he had become a security risk? Yeah, I want to see the Disney ride that tells that tale. Before Rogue One, the Star Wars morality discussion was about Han shooting first. Rogue One threw that cuteness right out the window - and that's, one reason I really liked it. Insurgencies are REALLY dirty. See the American Revolution, European resistance in WW2, and even what happened in Iraq after the US overthrew Saddam.
ETA - having said all that, I still enjoyed The Force Awakens and agree the second one has huge potential.
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 4:34 pm
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