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re: 5* RB Lorenzo Lingard to Miami
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:09 am to djsdawg
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:09 am to djsdawg
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But when discussing quality of teams, you got to go deeper than simply wins and losses. You must consider the quality of defense, offense, st, luck, and opponent.
Absolutely, my only point is that Mac has beaten the bad teams he's played, beaten the good teams, and lost to the elite teams. He's had two bad losses in his time here to teams we shouldn't have lost to - Tennessee and Arkansas. Bad losses happen. But Mac can only coach against the teams on his schedule. It shouldn't be a knock against him that he's won but it's been against bad teams. Because when you look back at the previous staff, he beat bad teams and lost to bad teams, lost to good teams, and lost to elite teams.
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:36 am to atlgator
I will say this, I think pretty much everyone has a point here.
UGA fans are right - UF's recruiting has not been what it was ON PAPER. There are stats that point that out. UGA's recruiting is also better than I have ever seen it, on paper.
Florida fans have continued to move the bar on what represents success by this staff. When they were hired, last year was supposed to be there year. Now there year is maybe 2018? I don't know, what was advertised by some as a quick rebuild with the right coach is now touted as a 5-6 year rebuilding project. That seems disingenuous to me. But there are certainly a lot of positive things to point to - a seemingly higher conversion rate on the players they do recruit, more people in these classes seem to be ready to contribute than in Muschamp's classes, the fact that UF has won 10 games 2 years in a row, and won the east twice, etc.
Now, while I think TJ has been a bit TOO over the top negative, there are certainly negative things to point to with this coaching staff. Which is why I am still pretty firmly on the fence. The decision to stick with LDR against Arkansas, the complete and utter meltdown at Tennessee, etc. (not to mention a lot of crap in year one, but most people give a pass for that).
I find it hilarious that this blow out has to happen on the recruiting forum, simply because TJ isn't allowed on the gator forum. I understand he messed up which is why he got banned, but I think it's time to forgive and forget and take these debates back to the gator board.
UGA fans are right - UF's recruiting has not been what it was ON PAPER. There are stats that point that out. UGA's recruiting is also better than I have ever seen it, on paper.
Florida fans have continued to move the bar on what represents success by this staff. When they were hired, last year was supposed to be there year. Now there year is maybe 2018? I don't know, what was advertised by some as a quick rebuild with the right coach is now touted as a 5-6 year rebuilding project. That seems disingenuous to me. But there are certainly a lot of positive things to point to - a seemingly higher conversion rate on the players they do recruit, more people in these classes seem to be ready to contribute than in Muschamp's classes, the fact that UF has won 10 games 2 years in a row, and won the east twice, etc.
Now, while I think TJ has been a bit TOO over the top negative, there are certainly negative things to point to with this coaching staff. Which is why I am still pretty firmly on the fence. The decision to stick with LDR against Arkansas, the complete and utter meltdown at Tennessee, etc. (not to mention a lot of crap in year one, but most people give a pass for that).
I find it hilarious that this blow out has to happen on the recruiting forum, simply because TJ isn't allowed on the gator forum. I understand he messed up which is why he got banned, but I think it's time to forgive and forget and take these debates back to the gator board.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:37 am to atlgator
Mac is 7-8 vs teams with winning records and 3-7 vs top 25. He's not good vs good teams. Stop it. He's below avg.
Wins:
UT- 9-4 28-27
OM- 10-3 38-10
UGA-10-3 27-3
UGA 8-5 24-10
Iowa 8-5 30-3
LSU 8-4 16-10
UK 7-6 45-7
W-l 60-30 66%
Avg margin of win 19 points a game or there abouts
Loses:
Bama 14-1 54-16
Bama 14-1 29-15
FSU 10-3 27-2
FSU 10-3 31-13
Mich 10-3 41-7
LSU 9-3 35-28
UT 9-4 38-28
ARK 7-6 31-10
83-24 78% outscored on avg by 20 points a game.
Wins:
UT- 9-4 28-27
OM- 10-3 38-10
UGA-10-3 27-3
UGA 8-5 24-10
Iowa 8-5 30-3
LSU 8-4 16-10
UK 7-6 45-7
W-l 60-30 66%
Avg margin of win 19 points a game or there abouts
Loses:
Bama 14-1 54-16
Bama 14-1 29-15
FSU 10-3 27-2
FSU 10-3 31-13
Mich 10-3 41-7
LSU 9-3 35-28
UT 9-4 38-28
ARK 7-6 31-10
83-24 78% outscored on avg by 20 points a game.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 11:01 am to atlgator
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It shouldn't be a knock against him that he's won but it's been against bad teams.
But it is, just as it was against richt in 2015. How you win and who you beat matters.
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