re: Let's talk about this tailgating bus to Notre Dame

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Both....Gary isn't that great either. Chicago is by far your best bet and will make the most of your trip if you're going.

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I wouldn't even stop for gas in Gary...unless it has changed dramatically Gary is worse than any neighborhood I have ever been in in Atlanta and I grew up less than 5 miles from the bluff and have family in East Point, Cabbage Town and College and Forest Park.

I worked in Gary for 4 months one time....seriously walked from the hotel to the truck and from the truck to the hotel with pistol in hand....not holstered, not stuck in my pants but in my hand....

There is some truly good public land duck hunting in Indiana that is completely doable as a visitor...if anyone is bent that way...