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re: Which coaches are getting fired at the end of the year?
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:46 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:46 pm to lsufball19
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ok, well Bert also has fewer wins over the past 3 seasons, unless you think Bert should be credited with more leeway in comparison to Butch. And two of Bert's losses are getting beat by Toledo and blown out by TTU, as well as all of his SEC games his first year and six of them his second
Bielema gets a lot more leeway than Butch. Really, look at the state of the other power programs in the SEC East during his entire tenure-- the best team he's had to contend with is, generally, a Georgia winding down the Richt era.
Bielema's split with Tech, lost a P5 road game to Rutgers, and the loss to Toledo does hurt-- but it is largely mitigated by winning the two bowl games against P5 conference teams very handily, and winning back to back against the best teams Ole Miss has been able to field, and the borderline contender LSU.
The 'He Lost To Toledo!' bit gets bandied about a lot, but it generally just demonstrates how little attention people pay-- Toledo wasn't a *bad* team. They just weren't a P5 team. Florida catches a ton less flack for a loss to Georgia Southern under similar circumstances, despite being perceived as a better program.
The recruiting argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny either, when trying to claim Petrino had left more on hand-- his classes were built on bulk signings of skill position players, most of whom worked out of the program or left even before he did-- and his other high points were a couple of linemen who washed out of the program before BB's second year. Tennessee had a much stronger talent base from which to work, against significantly worse competition.
That doesn't mean BB is immune from criticism; he's likely to hear a lot of it, even at 8 wins before a bowl game. The muttering will really be loud, if they come out of the gate 2-2 this year, as well-- he can't afford another slow start.
It'd take a truly catastrophic year-- 4 or 5 wins-- to make his job be in question.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:31 pm to BoardReader
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Really, look at the state of the other power programs in the SEC East during his entire tenure-- the best team he's had to contend with is, generally, a Georgia winding down the Richt era.
look at the teams from the west tennessee has played. look at the teams OOC Butch has played. look at Arkansas' record against the East if you're trying to use that as a crutch for Butch
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The 'He Lost To Toledo!' bit gets bandied about a lot
because arkansas had no business losing to them at home or at all
quote:you want to knock Butch for the east being down. do you think his east opponents are any worse than freaking toledo? can't have it both ways
They just weren't a P5 team
quote:Butch entered into a similar situation. dooley went an entire recruiting cycle without signing a single OL
his classes were built on bulk signings of skill position players, most of whom worked out of the program or left even before he did
quote:i know you believe this, but i just disagree with it
Tennessee had a much stronger talent base from which to work, against significantly worse competition.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:33 pm to BoardReader
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Bielema gets a lot more leeway than Butch.
Bc you and your fans have terrible expectations
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Bielema's split with Tech, lost a P5 road game to Rutgers, and the loss to Toledo does hurt-- but it is largely mitigated by winning the two bowl games against P5 conference teams very handily
Here we go again. You're giving props to Bert for something that Butch has done too(and in a more convincing fashion against better opponents).
Bowl Games - opponents - Score
Bert
Liberty Bowl vs K-State (6-7) 45-23
Texas Bowl vs Texas (6-7) 31-7
total points for/against: 76-30 (opp record: 12-14)
Butch
Outback Bowl vs #22 Northwestern (10-3) 45-6
Taxslayer Bowl vs Iowa (7-6) 45-28
total points for/against: 90-34 (opp record: 17-9)
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The 'He Lost To Toledo!' bit gets bandied about a lot, but it generally just demonstrates how little attention people pay-- Toledo wasn't a *bad* team. They just weren't a P5 team. Florida catches a ton less flack for a loss to Georgia Southern under similar circumstances, despite being perceived as a better program
You both deserve flak. You both lost to G5 teams. Shouldn't happen in the SEC
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The recruiting argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny either, when trying to claim Petrino had left more on hand-- his classes were built on bulk signings of skill position players, most of whom worked out of the program or left even before he did-- and his other high points were a couple of linemen who washed out of the program before BB's second year. Tennessee had a much stronger talent base from which to work, against significantly worse competition.
This all goes out the window when you consider that Dooley didn't recruit a single offensive lineman in the 2012 cycle. Skill positions? come on
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It'd take a truly catastrophic year-- 4 or 5 wins-- to make his job be in question.
I just feel bad for you that its his 4th year and you wouldn't want him fired if he went 6-6
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 4:36 pm
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