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re: Over at ESPN, more talk of Auburn moving to East div., so.......
Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:14 pm to JesusQuintana
Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:14 pm to JesusQuintana
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You state that Arkansas, Ole Miss and Texas A&M would be the next three but by your own ranking system they are all behind Mizzou and SC?
Historically speaking, Texas A&M, Arkansas, and Ole Miss are the "Next 3" following the "Big 6". This is not debatable.
All-Time standing in the AP Poll (1936-present, national rank):
#2 Alabama- 989 pts
#9 Tennessee- 682 pts
#11 LSU- 612 pts
#12 Auburn- 554 pts
#13 Georgia- 548 pts
#17 Florida- 487 pts
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#19 Arkansas- 439 pts
#20 Texas A&M- 365 pts
#22 Ole Miss- 347 pts
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#32 Missouri- 251 pts
#57 S. Carolina- 118 pts
#58 Mississippi State- 115 pts
Florida is closer to those "Next 3" than the "Big 6" in AP poll points... but the fact that the Gators have 3 National Titles on their resume, compared to just a single title for Texas A&M, none for Arky and Ole Miss, pushes the Gators into the top group.
Yes, since 2000 both South Carolina and Missouri have punched a bit over their weight.... meanwhile Texas A&M and Arkansas have seen some pretty "down" years for the most part compared to the generation of football that preceded the year 2000.
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I know you try to explain it away, but the facts are the facts.
Those are the facts. And the fact that Missouri and South Carolina have out-performed Arkansas, Texas A&M, and Ole Miss in very recent times, but trail those programs handily all-time only further proves my overall point: Even with South Carolina at a historical watermark for their program, and with Mizzou playing some of their best football ever, the East still lags way behind the West in overall balance. If things return to a more normal patter, it will only be more lop-sided.
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The biggest difference in the East and the West in recent history is that Alabama has been much better than any other program and UT fell off the map.
Alabama has ALWAYS been much better than any other program... that's not new. Yes, Tennessee being down has something to do with it, but South Carolina and even Mizzou being "up" compared to their overall history has somewhat cancelled that out.
It's not just Alabama that is creating the unbalanced power on the Western side.... LSU and Auburn have also combined to play for 4 National Titles in the past 9 seasons. Throwing that on top of the Alabama dominance is what is creating all the imbalance. Quite frankly, Georgia and Florida are the only programs really carrying their weight on the Eastern side, and even we've come up short year, after year in Atlanta.
The West is simply far better. It's been this way for nearly a decade, and its getting worse each year.
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:21 pm to BHMKyle
You keep moving the goal posts, but again that entire point is irrelevant because teams outside of the big 6 do not win the SEC. Not to say they never will, but it's not very likely.
When discussing relative strength the first thing everyone looks at is who won the conference. That's the gap, and that gap has been personified by Bama being better than everyone and UT falling off the map.
There was a time when the East dominated. It's cyclical. Bama will take a downturn eventually and the East will go on another run eventually. Putting 4 of 6 big 6 schools in one division would not even them out. Far from it.
When discussing relative strength the first thing everyone looks at is who won the conference. That's the gap, and that gap has been personified by Bama being better than everyone and UT falling off the map.
There was a time when the East dominated. It's cyclical. Bama will take a downturn eventually and the East will go on another run eventually. Putting 4 of 6 big 6 schools in one division would not even them out. Far from it.
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