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re: Looks like the Falcons coulda had Gurley and a better DE than Beasley

Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:43 am to
Posted by WhopperDawg
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:43 am to
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By your dumb logic, you guys would be sitting here whining about Mack not being worth the 5th pick


You consistently compare Beasley to Mack as the standard. So, you are predicting Mack second year numbers for second year Beasley? If not quit comparing them as it is Mack's second year improvement on which your argument rests.

Also, Freeman was probably the surprise player of the year, so any discounting of Gurley has absolutely nothing to do with Freeman.

Would I have taken Gurley over Beasley? Not on your life. Did I like the pick? Yep. Does Beasley have a tough row to hoe playing for the Falcons and the only semi-legit pass rusher on the whole damn team? You bet. Did he do OK? Yeah. Did he do great? No. Will be blossom ala Mack next year? We'll see. If I were a betting man, and I am, I'll take the under on that one, but I hope like hell I am wrong. To get there the Falcons need at least one other pass rusher, and if it were me I would spend this year's 1 on that if there in one left at 17 which I doubt. Dimitroff is not good at much and he certainly is not good at picking up much at all outside of the top ten.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 2:00 pm to
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You consistently compare Beasley to Mack as the standard. So, you are predicting Mack second year numbers for second year Beasley? If not quit comparing them as it is Mack's second year improvement on which your argument rests.

I already explained they play different positions, so no I was NOT directly comparing them.

My point was clear that bleak rookie numbers are not always definitively indicative of future performance, and Mack is a shining example of this. No prediction was made by me or even needs to made to make that point. Several of the vocal detractors in this thread have clearly suggested that the #8 pick not being a superstar from day 1 means it was a bad pick. My point is look at Mack to see that making such a definitive statement is dumb.

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Also, Freeman was probably the surprise player of the year, so any discounting of Gurley has absolutely nothing to do with Freeman.

Who "discounted" Gurley? I certainly didn't.

My point with this was that if we would have picked Gurley, as some folks here have suggested, we'd be sitting on two superstar RB's, which would mean one of them is being wasted and/or we were less than optimally efficient with our picks.

I'm not using hindsight or claiming Freeman was a known commodity. I'm stating what the end result would have actually been if we picked Gurley. If Gurley were on the Falcons right now, we would in fact have two superstar elite RB's, and likely not know that Freeman is as good as he is. And, we'd be even worse off at pass rush. We have absolutely no idea who we would have picked in the second round and if they would be better than Beasley.

And lastly, it has already been established that Quinn and Pioli have more to do with player scouting and evaluation now than Dimitroff. TD is the football operations guy more than he is the lead on draft selection anymore. Blank held press conferences explaining this. Hence why everyone the entire offseason was asking why keep him then if he's not going to have final say on personnel. Remember this? It was pretty widely discussed and questioned.
This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 2:04 pm
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