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No, I am proposing it is the work of the mind. What you believe and make real in your mind, you will experience as real. Perception is an inward image projected outward, then seen as if it were outside of you. In reality there is no inner or outer, no space and time.

I know very little about the gnostics, but have book marked your link, thanks.

Demiurge is just another illusory entity to blame for what we see here. I'm suggesting that we ourselves did this. Not because we are bad, or evil, because we made a simple mistake, one that made this entire world rise before us.

In time this happened a very very long time ago, in Reality, it never happened at all.

Thanks for explaining your views.

I'm not sure how much I agree (some I agree with a lot but the rest I need to ponder a bit and to come to an informed opinion). In that light I'm bookmarking your post so I can do just that. Your description is certainly an interesting one and while I do believe we suffer greatly from illusions I'm not prepared to say that everything is illusory or mind driven, though illusion seems quite apt for a lot of things we experience and believe. That said, I do agree that we create a great deal of problems through our mind and that perception is influenced by it.

I think you'll enjoy some of the gnostic writings (I believe there's something to learn from just about everything and one of the premises, well of some of the gnostics, is that this world is a trap and an illusion but they cite the demiurge or 'half-creator' as the source of it and the goal is to escape - gnosis itself is to awaken and achieve knowledge). The term gnosis is Greek and means 'to know' among other things.

Heady reading at times but I think you might enjoy some of it. A lot of it finds its conceptual origins in Neo-Platonism so it can be translated to a mind-driven framework if that's you thing.

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Posted on 12/23/15 at 7:45 pm to Prof

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, is that this world is a trap and an illusion but they cite the demiurge or 'half-creator'

Call it what you like, I call the miscreator ego. Everything is based on the victim roll, we have to blame someone or something in order to project our guilt on to them. This is the problem

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Posted on 12/24/15 at 1:15 am to Prof

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gnosis itself is to awaken and achieve knowledge). The term gnosis is Greek and means 'to know' among other things.

This is interesting, the difference between knowledge and perception is the difference between dreaming and Reality, Heaven and earth, duality and Non-duality. There is a very small gap between the last 2, and there is much we can do as far as preparing our minds to bridge that gap, but The Creator will take that final step Himself for us when we are ready.

Perception requires questions, choices, and judgment, all 3 bring us more trouble than we can even imagine. Knowledge requires nothing, it is complete. It means absolute Truth, it needs no acceptance, or belief to be itself, it just is. The result of knowledge is Peace, contentment, quiet, Eternal Bliss.

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