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re: Jeffery Simmons - 36 overall - #3 DE - Noxubee County, MS
Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:11 pm to Whereisomaha
Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:11 pm to Whereisomaha
But to the Saban point. This is how he recruited Altee Tenpenny, it may differ by position and by kid, but this is according to one of his coaches a few years back.
Tenpenny was the top recruit from Arkansas at the time. Saban in this meeting never mentions atmosphere, rings, legacy, etc...
Saban sits him down with his coach and his family, shows him the data on how long RB's last in the NFL, then he shows him the data on how likely he is to have a knee injury in college. Breaks down the average RB salary, then the average RB in the first round, and the impact injuries have on that salary.
He explains to him that he frankly has a handful of other backs just like him, just as promising, just as good. He then goes on to explain that he's going to ride the pine for a few years, before being the second back his sophomore or junior year like Richardson was to Engram, then Lacey to Richardson, etc... Then you are going to have one big year, one year where you are the workhorse and you get your fame, and you're going to get drafted and have a great NFL career.
So, by playing essentially 1.5 seasons here, instead of Arkansas or somewhere else and playing 3 or 4, you are going to decrease your probability of injury by x amount, which equates to this much money for you. Then leaves the guy with two choices. He can go to Arkansas or wherever and have a great college career, be the big guy for his whole time there, etc... Or... go to Alabama. Probably only have one big college year, but be more likely to stay healthy and have a better and longer NFL career, where you actually make money.
He said he was just like damn, there was no decision. It wasn't recruiting, no sales pitch, it was just the most responsible decision to make.
Now, granted, this is ostracized because of the short career of a RB. But still, thought it was an interesting and effective approach. They don't seem to process and pump other positions the same way, skill positions seem to stay around for a while. But even so, if I'm a top WR it would be hard to talk me out of Bama. Because, while a different game altogether than RB, they've shown that they will feed that one elite guy for 3 years.
ETA: I'm not sure why I went into that, probably just because I find it interesting. But to your point, LSU recruits on a pretty similar level. I wouldn't say Bama gets the top guys over them by any stretch, it's actually incredibly close considering how lopsided that matchup has been lately.
Tenpenny was the top recruit from Arkansas at the time. Saban in this meeting never mentions atmosphere, rings, legacy, etc...
Saban sits him down with his coach and his family, shows him the data on how long RB's last in the NFL, then he shows him the data on how likely he is to have a knee injury in college. Breaks down the average RB salary, then the average RB in the first round, and the impact injuries have on that salary.
He explains to him that he frankly has a handful of other backs just like him, just as promising, just as good. He then goes on to explain that he's going to ride the pine for a few years, before being the second back his sophomore or junior year like Richardson was to Engram, then Lacey to Richardson, etc... Then you are going to have one big year, one year where you are the workhorse and you get your fame, and you're going to get drafted and have a great NFL career.
So, by playing essentially 1.5 seasons here, instead of Arkansas or somewhere else and playing 3 or 4, you are going to decrease your probability of injury by x amount, which equates to this much money for you. Then leaves the guy with two choices. He can go to Arkansas or wherever and have a great college career, be the big guy for his whole time there, etc... Or... go to Alabama. Probably only have one big college year, but be more likely to stay healthy and have a better and longer NFL career, where you actually make money.
He said he was just like damn, there was no decision. It wasn't recruiting, no sales pitch, it was just the most responsible decision to make.
Now, granted, this is ostracized because of the short career of a RB. But still, thought it was an interesting and effective approach. They don't seem to process and pump other positions the same way, skill positions seem to stay around for a while. But even so, if I'm a top WR it would be hard to talk me out of Bama. Because, while a different game altogether than RB, they've shown that they will feed that one elite guy for 3 years.
ETA: I'm not sure why I went into that, probably just because I find it interesting. But to your point, LSU recruits on a pretty similar level. I wouldn't say Bama gets the top guys over them by any stretch, it's actually incredibly close considering how lopsided that matchup has been lately.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 6:12 pm
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:16 pm to skirpnasty
You definitely aren't the new engie...
Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:18 pm to skirpnasty
Serious question to you would you blame AJ or Simmons if they went to ole miss? Your coach is a lame duck and had been basically dominated by freeze. Also, ole miss has a potential top 5 class coming in with the #1 QB, a better town and is becoming a national brand. Mullen is trying to exit. Not being an arse just want to get your thoughts. I don't think I could blame them.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:23 pm to skirpnasty
I got caught up in the post there and forgot the point of it. My point was these coaches try to take the feelings out of it. They are trying to show them facts, results, and not "momentum".
I get your position on your draft this year. But you have to look at the facts and acknowledge that State has been sending a lot of kids since Mullen got things rolling. We signed 14 to NFL contracts last year. We have another 5 this year that will be drafted, in a down year, and 3-6 juniors who could declare and would get picked up if they decided to.
You're looking at 7 years, and 7 DL's who are currently on rosters, playing on Sunday's. Versus 3 years, and 1 guy who will be drafted in the first round this year. That's not even counting the guys who will get picked up this year. Ryan Brown will be on a roster next year. Nick James will be on a roster next year. Chris Jones, if he decides to declare, will be on a roster next year.
It would be one thing if this were an every year thing. It isn't. It's one extremely good DT, who has always been extremely good. If you want to be developed into an NFL DT, do you go with the guys who have produced 1 in 3 years, or the guys who have produced 7-10 in 7 years? It's really that simple, there is no decision.
I get your position on your draft this year. But you have to look at the facts and acknowledge that State has been sending a lot of kids since Mullen got things rolling. We signed 14 to NFL contracts last year. We have another 5 this year that will be drafted, in a down year, and 3-6 juniors who could declare and would get picked up if they decided to.
You're looking at 7 years, and 7 DL's who are currently on rosters, playing on Sunday's. Versus 3 years, and 1 guy who will be drafted in the first round this year. That's not even counting the guys who will get picked up this year. Ryan Brown will be on a roster next year. Nick James will be on a roster next year. Chris Jones, if he decides to declare, will be on a roster next year.
It would be one thing if this were an every year thing. It isn't. It's one extremely good DT, who has always been extremely good. If you want to be developed into an NFL DT, do you go with the guys who have produced 1 in 3 years, or the guys who have produced 7-10 in 7 years? It's really that simple, there is no decision.
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