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Former Ole Miss pitcher Chris Ellis traded to the Braves
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:11 pm
Braves loading up with more Pitching talent in preparation for 2017 season.
Lots of arms to get a look at the next few years. and trade for pieces.
The Braves part with all world Defensive Short Stop, Andrelton Simmons.
and gain Ellis (RHP) the number 2 prospect from angels. as well as the angels #1 prospect (LHP).
As a Braves fan, it will be fun having a Rebel to follow.
Lots of arms to get a look at the next few years. and trade for pieces.
The Braves part with all world Defensive Short Stop, Andrelton Simmons.
and gain Ellis (RHP) the number 2 prospect from angels. as well as the angels #1 prospect (LHP).
As a Braves fan, it will be fun having a Rebel to follow.
This post was edited on 11/13/15 at 9:12 am
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:24 pm to HailFreezusOver
What level did he end up in last year? I would love to see him pitch some in Pearl. Probably be good for ticket sales as well.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:24 pm to HailFreezusOver
Well the Braves are so bad he'll probably be called up soon.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 12:54 am to SwayzeCrazy
Naw he will have to develop for a few more years. Projected he hits the majors in 2018 when he is 25.
Probably a #4 starter according to experts. But the Braves have a good pitching development so who knows.
And there are a lot of prospects ahead of him to be called up at this juncture. But 2017 maybe and more likely 2018.
Probably a #4 starter according to experts. But the Braves have a good pitching development so who knows.
And there are a lot of prospects ahead of him to be called up at this juncture. But 2017 maybe and more likely 2018.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 12:58 am to HottyToddy7
I think he's still single A.
The other pitcher made the jump to double A ( Newcombe) the Braves received because he was dominant.
He probably moves up to double next year at some point next year so you can catch one or both of them then.
As well as touki toussant, Colby Allard.
Ellis checks in at 9 on the prospect list.
And maybe the Riley boy from DeSoto Central
The Braves Farm went from shallow and bare to full recently and that's a great thing.
With the Braves shite TV deal, they don't have the finances most teams have, they are strung up, so they dump contracts and take young guys for now, similar to the money ball A's.
The other pitcher made the jump to double A ( Newcombe) the Braves received because he was dominant.
He probably moves up to double next year at some point next year so you can catch one or both of them then.
As well as touki toussant, Colby Allard.
Ellis checks in at 9 on the prospect list.
And maybe the Riley boy from DeSoto Central
The Braves Farm went from shallow and bare to full recently and that's a great thing.
With the Braves shite TV deal, they don't have the finances most teams have, they are strung up, so they dump contracts and take young guys for now, similar to the money ball A's.
This post was edited on 11/13/15 at 1:14 am
Posted on 11/13/15 at 8:55 am to HailFreezusOver
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But the Braves have a good pitching development so who knows.
Are we watching the same team?
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:05 am to SouthMSReb
The current iteration of the team is based on bad contracts by the former gm, and bad TV contracts the former owner agreed. To right before selling the team ( turner).
The Braves historically and recently are in the top on pitching development.
And we have had quite a few studs lately... Some of which have been traded away.
But as a Braves fan I'm glad, we get rid of middle of the road players and middle of the road seasons for a shot at something bigger. ( aside from andrelton no middle of the road there)
Hope you are not attached to Tehran, with the lack of defense behind him now at SS and 3rd his era will rise. The Braves would be smart to trade him in the off season to avoid declining value and ship off swisher/Bourne bad contacts with him.
We will give lots of young pitching talent spots/opportunity in rotation to prove themselves in the majors.
We needed a huge retool, to ever think about playoff contention.
With our 2016 draft status, 3rd in every round. And one early supplemental.
As well as the great international player market this year. Combined with the fact the Dodgers, Cubs, Yankees and other big time spenders are limited and can't sign players because of the recent changes.
It leaves the Braves with a lot of big fish on the line and few big money competitors.
We will blow up the international market this year, huge spending on position player with big bats, watch and see. With the way the current rules layout the Braves will go all out and incur the penalties which will effect the next 2 years but we will have already landed a huge coup.
We will suck again for one more year and hopefully fire Manager Freddy Garcia who is garbage at in game and pitching mngmt.
But the future is quite bright even though the sky seems overcast.
The Braves historically and recently are in the top on pitching development.
And we have had quite a few studs lately... Some of which have been traded away.
But as a Braves fan I'm glad, we get rid of middle of the road players and middle of the road seasons for a shot at something bigger. ( aside from andrelton no middle of the road there)
Hope you are not attached to Tehran, with the lack of defense behind him now at SS and 3rd his era will rise. The Braves would be smart to trade him in the off season to avoid declining value and ship off swisher/Bourne bad contacts with him.
We will give lots of young pitching talent spots/opportunity in rotation to prove themselves in the majors.
We needed a huge retool, to ever think about playoff contention.
With our 2016 draft status, 3rd in every round. And one early supplemental.
As well as the great international player market this year. Combined with the fact the Dodgers, Cubs, Yankees and other big time spenders are limited and can't sign players because of the recent changes.
It leaves the Braves with a lot of big fish on the line and few big money competitors.
We will blow up the international market this year, huge spending on position player with big bats, watch and see. With the way the current rules layout the Braves will go all out and incur the penalties which will effect the next 2 years but we will have already landed a huge coup.
We will suck again for one more year and hopefully fire Manager Freddy Garcia who is garbage at in game and pitching mngmt.
But the future is quite bright even though the sky seems overcast.
This post was edited on 11/13/15 at 9:11 am
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:20 am to HailFreezusOver
Teheran and Minor have both regressed significantly since making it to the bigs.
Do you have hope for Wisler and Banuelos? Folty? Is the stuff there?
Do you have hope for Wisler and Banuelos? Folty? Is the stuff there?
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:37 am to SouthMSReb
Tehrans wins have regressed because of a lack of run support the last few years. But we need to trade him soon. He was never an ace more of a 2 starter but we were such lacking of pitching he got pushed into that roll. And minor and Medlin have had injuries but we're never highly touted prospects. We were drafting far too low and with frank Wrens terrible selections too identify and pull in first round ace pitchers.
whixh is why I have high hopes for Shelby miller, the cardinals draft late every year because of their dominant records.. And they can identify talent.
This new Hart-Coppoella regime has a staff that identifies better, and they have given themselves a lot of bullets to fire, hopefully a few hit the bullseye.
Big hopes for Wisler and Banuelos.. Folty is destined for the bullpen in my opinion he can bring the heat just not a rotation guy.
But the really encouraging pitching front are in the top 19 of the Braves prospect list I posted above.
The trade last year that got touki toussant who has one of the nastiest curve balls I've ever seen and is mastering his change up currently with Braves, something Dbacks didn't see the neccisity for? Terrible trade by Dbacks
Also last years Early rounders Colby Allard and soroka.
Are absolutely filthy. They both have started for the national youth teams and dominated. The soroka kid has been mentored by a former braves pitcher ( I forget who) in Canada and he should emerge soon.
And Allard was the steal of this past draft falling so low because of a perceived injury.
Throw in max fried and Ellis as well as others I won't bombard with.
Only about 1-3 pitching prospects develop to major league pitchers. So the Braves have expedited the process by trading for and drafting tons of pitching. they are drafting like we did in the smolts-glavine era.
They see what the NYM have done with their young rotation set for the future and all relatively cheap allowing them to spend money on position players, The Mets have way more money to work with as well.
Position players of the future to take note of:
SS Ozzie albies
OF Mallex Smith
3B Austin Riley
If these guys continue developing they will be in the majors around 2017-2018
Mallex smith may come up next year at some point because mid season we will probably trade Maybin and newly acquired SS Aybar ( contract year need value) before the all star break.
And we may give some young prospects a chance to get their feet wet at SS and CF.
We have been spoiled with consistently above average seasons but no post season success. This is an attempt to rise above good and to aspire to something bigger even with our limited finances.
If you don't won't to go insane with the losing season and trading players just enjoy watching the young guys develop and root for that. Also Bill Shanks on fox sports radio in Macon Ga is awesome about getting interviews and breaking down the farm system.
It all starts with young cheap controllable pitching.
This post was edited on 11/13/15 at 9:47 am
Posted on 11/13/15 at 9:44 am to HailFreezusOver
I'm definitely on board with the trades we've made. We desperately needed an overhaul after the horrific FA signings in '13.
So glad we were able to move Chris Johnson mid season and I'm also glad we got rid of Simmons. Freeman is really the only one worth building around on team. I guess Miller is in there too.
What happens with Teheran? What about the future at C? I realize you cant write off Benthacourt after just 1 season in the majors but man he looked rough last season.
I keep hearing about the Mallex kid. Sounds like he'll be a good one.
So glad we were able to move Chris Johnson mid season and I'm also glad we got rid of Simmons. Freeman is really the only one worth building around on team. I guess Miller is in there too.
What happens with Teheran? What about the future at C? I realize you cant write off Benthacourt after just 1 season in the majors but man he looked rough last season.
I keep hearing about the Mallex kid. Sounds like he'll be a good one.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 10:11 am to SouthMSReb
Glad you agree with the trades. So many people are frustrated and think this regime is stupid. But that is narrow sighted obviously.
I will still root for simba much like I do Gattis. Great guys just had to be done.
Chris Johnson, Melvin(bj) uptown and uggla. What terrible contracts, we were hamstrung.
We don't have the HuGe TV contract the cards have that gives them an extra 20-30 million every year.
Which is why having this new stadium and collecting revenue from everything, merchandise, concessions, music attractions, shopping liberty media will make more profits. And they can then spend more on contracts to bring in all of the fans that were lost.
Being bad is the best thing that could happen for us. With plummeting TV numbers and laughable attendance, liberty media sees the need to get quality players.. Down the line. Also it forces fox sports to rework the TV contract.. So the brave aren't piss poor and can be competitive.. There by increasing fox ratings and advertising profits.
In the netflix and Internet era advertising on live events has become a must. And baseball has a 162 game season as opposed to football.
Chris Johnson
Apparently he was a clubhouse jack arse. And what a stupid contract. But Freddie Gonzales makes jack arse decisions to so I would be pissed in the clubhouse as well.
Tehran is not a part of the future, his fastball numbers have started to regress slightly.. And that is a huge tell . When compared to other pitchers. He is too young for that.
We need to trade soon and get rid of one of the 14 Mill contracts of swisher or borne.
The Braves have worked to almost have zero contracts on the 2017 season. Aside from freeman.
Which opens up tons of possibilities.
AJ prizenski is one of my favs works well with the young pitching staff to mold them and help them become pros.
And he was hitting so well and Freddie Gonzales was playing for his Job last year so he started the better BA player over Bethancourt.
There are rumors that Gonzales just doesn't like Bethancourt.
He and prizenski will be the catching duo this year and hopefully we can see if he is the future.. I don't think he is.
We drafted Allards high school catcher and have quite a lot of catching prospects in the farm system. That's the thing with drafting pitchers you have to get lots of catchers as well, which we do in late rounds.
5-6 catchers in the last two years I think.
There were zero quality catcher free agents this year. Hopefully a prospect emerges.
Yeah Mallex smith is lightning fast and his hitting and fielding were improving every month.
Austin Riley took rookie league by storm and continued into A ball. Once thought of as a 96 mph pitcher Braves gambled on his bat .. With a move to pitcher if he floundered in minor league competition.
But he has the look of a stud. He almost signed with ms state. We gave him a few million reasons not to.
Ozzie albies is from curasco the same island nation we hear about in little league World Series every year. Also the same place andrelton Simmons is from.
He is a slap hitter that has been destroying the ball. Batting around .350 part of last season and was on fire before breaking a bone in his hand.
Has the defensive prowess and speed as well. But he is extremely tiny and light weight because he is only 17 or 18 I think. Kind of like a Jose altuve.
He is still quite young but if his body develops some he may be playing SS for the Braves at 19 or 20 years old which would be crazy.
I will still root for simba much like I do Gattis. Great guys just had to be done.
Chris Johnson, Melvin(bj) uptown and uggla. What terrible contracts, we were hamstrung.
We don't have the HuGe TV contract the cards have that gives them an extra 20-30 million every year.
Which is why having this new stadium and collecting revenue from everything, merchandise, concessions, music attractions, shopping liberty media will make more profits. And they can then spend more on contracts to bring in all of the fans that were lost.
Being bad is the best thing that could happen for us. With plummeting TV numbers and laughable attendance, liberty media sees the need to get quality players.. Down the line. Also it forces fox sports to rework the TV contract.. So the brave aren't piss poor and can be competitive.. There by increasing fox ratings and advertising profits.
In the netflix and Internet era advertising on live events has become a must. And baseball has a 162 game season as opposed to football.
Chris Johnson
Apparently he was a clubhouse jack arse. And what a stupid contract. But Freddie Gonzales makes jack arse decisions to so I would be pissed in the clubhouse as well.
Tehran is not a part of the future, his fastball numbers have started to regress slightly.. And that is a huge tell . When compared to other pitchers. He is too young for that.
We need to trade soon and get rid of one of the 14 Mill contracts of swisher or borne.
The Braves have worked to almost have zero contracts on the 2017 season. Aside from freeman.
Which opens up tons of possibilities.
AJ prizenski is one of my favs works well with the young pitching staff to mold them and help them become pros.
And he was hitting so well and Freddie Gonzales was playing for his Job last year so he started the better BA player over Bethancourt.
There are rumors that Gonzales just doesn't like Bethancourt.
He and prizenski will be the catching duo this year and hopefully we can see if he is the future.. I don't think he is.
We drafted Allards high school catcher and have quite a lot of catching prospects in the farm system. That's the thing with drafting pitchers you have to get lots of catchers as well, which we do in late rounds.
5-6 catchers in the last two years I think.
There were zero quality catcher free agents this year. Hopefully a prospect emerges.
Yeah Mallex smith is lightning fast and his hitting and fielding were improving every month.
Austin Riley took rookie league by storm and continued into A ball. Once thought of as a 96 mph pitcher Braves gambled on his bat .. With a move to pitcher if he floundered in minor league competition.
But he has the look of a stud. He almost signed with ms state. We gave him a few million reasons not to.
Ozzie albies is from curasco the same island nation we hear about in little league World Series every year. Also the same place andrelton Simmons is from.
He is a slap hitter that has been destroying the ball. Batting around .350 part of last season and was on fire before breaking a bone in his hand.
Has the defensive prowess and speed as well. But he is extremely tiny and light weight because he is only 17 or 18 I think. Kind of like a Jose altuve.
He is still quite young but if his body develops some he may be playing SS for the Braves at 19 or 20 years old which would be crazy.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 10:45 am to HailFreezusOver
All these people constantly bitching about the Braves trades are morons.
I'm loving what Hart is doing, the man is a fricking wizard. The Angels fans are pissed and think that they gave up way too much for Simmons and I agree.
I love Simba, but he's a career ~.250 hitter, never hit over 7 bombs in one season. He was on a very club friendly deal though.
While I'm sad to see some of these guys go (Kimbrel, Simmons, BJ, Heyward), we're getting great stuff in return.
I'm loving what Hart is doing, the man is a fricking wizard. The Angels fans are pissed and think that they gave up way too much for Simmons and I agree.
I love Simba, but he's a career ~.250 hitter, never hit over 7 bombs in one season. He was on a very club friendly deal though.
While I'm sad to see some of these guys go (Kimbrel, Simmons, BJ, Heyward), we're getting great stuff in return.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 10:45 am to HailFreezusOver
Ellis actually made it to AA last year so there's a good chance you'll see him in Pearl.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:18 am to DynastyDawg
I agree the cupboard was bare, frank wrens trades evisorated an already weak farm system.
Simbas defense was one of the best parts of watching the Braves recently, but his power has regressed and he will never be a .300 hitter or anywhere close to 20HR .. And with the potential of an ace and a 2-4 rotation pitcher in Ellis.
The trade benefits both sides andreltons contract is extremely team friendly.
But we traded him at his peak, he has been relatively healthy and he's had chanced to break out with his swing and hasn't capitalized.
Strike while the iron was hit with the defensive player of the year award.
We are getting great stuff in return. And the Braves should be fun to watch next year with all of the young players that should come up during the season.
Simbas defense was one of the best parts of watching the Braves recently, but his power has regressed and he will never be a .300 hitter or anywhere close to 20HR .. And with the potential of an ace and a 2-4 rotation pitcher in Ellis.
The trade benefits both sides andreltons contract is extremely team friendly.
But we traded him at his peak, he has been relatively healthy and he's had chanced to break out with his swing and hasn't capitalized.
Strike while the iron was hit with the defensive player of the year award.
We are getting great stuff in return. And the Braves should be fun to watch next year with all of the young players that should come up during the season.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:51 am to HailFreezusOver
Pitching.
"" The Braves got the Angels' top two pitching prospects in the deal - left-hander Sean Newcomb and right-hander Chris Ellis. Throw those two in with all the ones the Braves acquired from last November through the season and you've got the best farm system in baseball.
Newcomb and Ellis join the following as pitching prospects acquired in trades the last 12 months:
Zach Bird - From the Dodgers in the Alex Wood trade
John Gant - From the Mets in the Johnson/Uribe trade
Rob Whalen - From the Mets in the Johnson/Uribe trade
Touki Toussaint - From the Diamondbacks in the Phil Gosselin trade
Matt Wisler - From the Padres in the Craig KImbrel trade
Bryton Trepagnier - From the Pirates in the Edward Salcedo trade
Mike Foltynewicz - From the Astros in the Evan Gattis trade
Andrew Thurman - From the Astros in the Evan Gattis trade
Ricardo Sanchez - From the Angels in the Kyle Kubitza trade
Manny Banuelos - From the Yankees in the David Carpenter trade
Max Fried - From the Padres in the Justin Upton trade
Shelby Mller - From the Cardinals in the Jason Heyward trade
Tyrell Jenkins - From the Cardinals in the Jason Heyward trade
Arodys Vizcaino - From the Cubs in the Tommy LaStella trade
Zach Quintana - From the Brewers in the Kyle Wren trade
That's 17 young pitchers acquired in trades. Then in June, the Braves took pitchers with 12 of their first 14 and 18 of their first 23 picks in the draft.
This organization is getting back to its roots. It's doing what worked in the past. Why wouldn't they do it this way? It sort of makes sense, doesn't it? ""
Bill shanks just put out an article basically reflecting my sentiments, but he's a lot more eloquent. braves fans should Read this
"" The Braves got the Angels' top two pitching prospects in the deal - left-hander Sean Newcomb and right-hander Chris Ellis. Throw those two in with all the ones the Braves acquired from last November through the season and you've got the best farm system in baseball.
Newcomb and Ellis join the following as pitching prospects acquired in trades the last 12 months:
Zach Bird - From the Dodgers in the Alex Wood trade
John Gant - From the Mets in the Johnson/Uribe trade
Rob Whalen - From the Mets in the Johnson/Uribe trade
Touki Toussaint - From the Diamondbacks in the Phil Gosselin trade
Matt Wisler - From the Padres in the Craig KImbrel trade
Bryton Trepagnier - From the Pirates in the Edward Salcedo trade
Mike Foltynewicz - From the Astros in the Evan Gattis trade
Andrew Thurman - From the Astros in the Evan Gattis trade
Ricardo Sanchez - From the Angels in the Kyle Kubitza trade
Manny Banuelos - From the Yankees in the David Carpenter trade
Max Fried - From the Padres in the Justin Upton trade
Shelby Mller - From the Cardinals in the Jason Heyward trade
Tyrell Jenkins - From the Cardinals in the Jason Heyward trade
Arodys Vizcaino - From the Cubs in the Tommy LaStella trade
Zach Quintana - From the Brewers in the Kyle Wren trade
That's 17 young pitchers acquired in trades. Then in June, the Braves took pitchers with 12 of their first 14 and 18 of their first 23 picks in the draft.
This organization is getting back to its roots. It's doing what worked in the past. Why wouldn't they do it this way? It sort of makes sense, doesn't it? ""
Bill shanks just put out an article basically reflecting my sentiments, but he's a lot more eloquent. braves fans should Read this
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