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Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:46 pm to cokebottleag
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:46 pm to cokebottleag
quote:I know you think this is getting smarter every time you say it but it isn't.
Something that is taking shape is the transformation of terminology here. Liberal and conservative are getting supplanted by "Globalism and Nationalism."
For starters you're weak-manning globalism by trying to unify economic globalization (i.e., free trade, migration) with neo-con style military imperialism while ignoring the fact that there's plenty of people who support the former and reject the latter, as a cursory comparison between WTO membership and our "coalition of the willing" illustrates.
In addition most of the hot zones we see today are not the result of "globalism" but individual nations waggling their dicks to establish and defend spheres of influence (which is classic nationalism).
Do tell me what revisionism your "10 minutes of research" turned up regarding the Treaty of New Echota, though. I could use some quality r/badhistory chuckles.
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 2/22/16 at 9:18 pm to Iosh
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I know you think this is getting smarter every time you say it but it isn't.
No, its a blend of emotional and rational politics, or really an appeal to both at the same time.
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For starters you're weak-manning globalism by trying to unify economic globalization (i.e., free trade, migration) with neo-con style military imperialism while ignoring the fact that there's plenty of people who support the former and reject the latter, as a cursory comparison between WTO membership and our "coalition of the willing" illustrates.
I need to clarify when I say "Globalism." I do not mean free trade, I mean trade constructed to benefit other nations as part of a neo-con strategy foreign policy wise. The idea exists in American politics that increasing the wealth of a nation will make it more likely to become democratic. Firstly, I reject the notion that democracy is inherently good for every people, and that other nations being democratic is good for the USA. Second, I reject the idea that wealth will increase a nation's favorability toward the United States.
When I say globalism as far as trade, I mean the deals we have made with China, Bangladesh, Malaysia, etc where they have access to our markets, but we have no or restricted access to theirs. This kind of a deal, which exports our economy in order to 'nation build by trade' is what we currently engage in, and what I mean when I say Globalist.
I want free trade, fair trade. That is NOT what we have, or what either party has supported. I actually LIKE the TPP, because it does just that, and is with a majority of 1st world nations, with Brunei and Vietnam being the notable exceptions. They are in there for Neo-Conism/Globalism, exactly what I've stated above.
And WTO membership is a half-measure. China violates its terms of entry with impunity.
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In addition most of the hot zones we see today are not the result of "globalism" but individual nations waggling their dicks to establish and defend spheres of influence (which is classic nationalism).
And? What Hot Zone currently active is any of our goddamn business?
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Do tell me what revisionism your "10 minutes of research" turned up regarding the Treaty of New Echota, though. I could use some quality r/badhistory chuckles.
No revisionism. The state governments were having fights with the indian tribes. Jackson picked the state sovereignty over the indian sovereignty. Pretty cut and dry.
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