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re: I want God to be real.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:02 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:02 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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He didn't claim that it did happen that way, he claimed that you have to prove that it did not or could not have happened that way.
No, the burden of proof is to show that nothing producing something from nothing is within the constraints of natural laws.
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Right now, the question is agnostic as in: It cannot be known at this time or there is no evidence.
Right now, for such a scenario to occur, it would be a supernatural occurrence.
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You are saying that it was caused by something supernatural, therefore it must be proven or you must provide evidence that there is something supernatural.
I'm saying that there is 1) an uncaused first cause and 2) that an uncaused first cause isn't in agreement with natural laws therefore is supernatural. If one were to offer evidence that an uncaused first cause was within the occurrence of natural laws, then the uncaused first cause wouldn't be supernatural.
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If it is outside of the "natural world", then how can you measure it? Could you ever prove it? Is your position reliant only on your faith that it is true?
"Outside of the natural world" is supernatural. The proof is that natural laws do not support the view that nothing creates something from nothing.
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We're saying we don't know, you're saying you do.
"We don't know" is simply at attempt to deflect the focus from the fact that nothing producing something from nothing is a supernatural occurrence, not a natural occurrence.
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And doing a very bad job at arguing, which is kind of why William Lane Craig lost all credibility a while back.
Lost "all credibility"? Really?
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:12 am to beejon
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Right now, for such a scenario to occur, it would be a supernatural occurrence.
By this measure, 5,000 years ago lightening, comets, eclipses, tornadoes, hurricanes and a nearly endless list of other unexplainable phenomenon were supernatural.
Your argument is essentially one for the virtues of human ignorance, that it is better to not know as it gives us reason to keep believing. After all, God was far more powerful and involved in the day to day lives of humans when everything from leprosy to earthquakes was his doing.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 12:15 am
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