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re: If we were to hire a new HC who would you like to see?

Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:21 pm to
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:21 pm to
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I always assumed this was more of the recruiting coordinators job


It's the job of each position coach to identify their needs based upon how they project their depth chart into a two-season future.

Of course, there needs are often obvious to everyone - but where they become no-so-obvious are in cases where there may be attitude issues, or academic problems, or homesick problems, or a desire to leave-early problems, etc., etc., etc.

So once these needs are identified, and understand, these have to be projected like a P&L statement over a given period of time ... then the recruiting coordinator boards the needs and begins to look for the best available prospects at each position with the understanding that some athletes might be moved from one position to another during the process.

Grady failed to keep Christian here, failed to keep Hampton here, (although there is some debate as to whether or not Hampton would have stayed even had someone put a gun to his head), and failed to prepare for the losses in the secondary dating back to the 2011 and 2012 seasons. More succinctly, he should have been preparing for this in 2011, even 2012 at the worst. Not wait for the 2014 class to bail us out.

But there are some other performance issues with Grady too ... lately. They've been muted in recent seasons thanks to our strong pass rush and defensive line play, but from what I am hearing they are becoming far more apparent to the film-watchers now that the secondary is having to stand on its own to some degree. Assignment issues. Fundamentals issues. Confidence issues. Recognition issues.

And Grady hasn't exactly been a great recruiter ... he's bagged a few but he's missed on far more.

These days the assistants, the position coaches, are as much upper level management as they are teachers of skills ... but they have to be very good at both. You must be a really very special skills coach if you are going to be excused from being a great recruiter and personnel manager as well.

Posted by CockInYourEar
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:49 pm to
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It's the job of each position coach to identify their needs based upon how they project their depth chart into a two-season future.

Of course, there needs are often obvious to everyone - but where they become no-so-obvious are in cases where there may be attitude issues, or academic problems, or homesick problems, or a desire to leave-early problems, etc., etc., etc.

So once these needs are identified, and understand, these have to be projected like a P&L statement over a given period of time ... then the recruiting coordinator boards the needs and begins to look for the best available prospects at each position with the understanding that some athletes might be moved from one position to another during the process.

Grady failed to keep Christian here, failed to keep Hampton here, (although there is some debate as to whether or not Hampton would have stayed even had someone put a gun to his head), and failed to prepare for the losses in the secondary dating back to the 2011 and 2012 seasons. More succinctly, he should have been preparing for this in 2011, even 2012 at the worst. Not wait for the 2014 class to bail us out.

But there are some other performance issues with Grady too ... lately. They've been muted in recent seasons thanks to our strong pass rush and defensive line play, but from what I am hearing they are becoming far more apparent to the film-watchers now that the secondary is having to stand on its own to some degree. Assignment issues. Fundamentals issues. Confidence issues. Recognition issues.

And Grady hasn't exactly been a great recruiter ... he's bagged a few but he's missed on far more.

These days the assistants, the position coaches, are as much upper level management as they are teachers of skills ... but they have to be very good at both. You must be a really very special skills coach if you are going to be excused from being a great recruiter and personnel manager as well.


I'm not saying you're wrong, but my perspective is different.

Grady was hired in Feb of 2012. So the '11 and '12 DB classes weren't his fault. In '13 he got Skai Moore to flip to SC, who's been consistently one of our best defenders for 2 seasons. Last year he got three 4* DB's, and we all knew the pass defense was going to suck b/c we were going to throw these young guys in the trial by fire.

During the '12 and '13 season, our pass defense was good, Legree and Hampton were older players who new what they were doing (and we had a pass rush.) Now in the '14 season, we have NO pass rush and a bunch of FR playing corner.

Our shitty pass defense situation, IMO, has little to do with Grady, as compared to the shitty DB depth situation he walked into in '12. We had A LOT of DB recruits in -08-'09. We didn't think it was a need in '11 and we just did a poor job in '12 with recruiting DB's.

The same goes for the DL (specifically DE position.) None of these kids wanted to play behind Clowney and everybody knew they couldn't beat him out for a starting spot. Now he's gone and look we almost had 4-5 highly ranked DE's commit last year (none qualified) and we'll have the same this year (but hopefully they'll qualify.)


For the most part, I thought the pass defense has gotten better this season. It's just taking time and experience for these FR to figure this out. Next year, when the pass rushers get here, I think we'll be back up into the top half of the SEC in pass defense.
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